[pp.int.general] Pirate Manifesto: PIRATA internal ballot, results

[Will Pomes]

great parse of the issue.
also, reinier, stop provoking him with the PP thing; if you are so
happy to be back on topic, please make an effort to stay here.

On Mon, Jan 26, 2009 at 1:34 AM, Carlos Ayala Vargas <aiarakoa at yahoo.es> wrote:
> Reinier Bakels wrote:
>>>
>>> I believe it's not a good idea to follow what established and
>>> 'successful' parties do just because of being 'successful'.
>>
>> Sorry, you are confusing things. The issue was that PP's get blamed for
>> being a one issue movement without an (explicit) underlying strategy. A
>> distinction must be made between:
>> 1) getting many votes
>> 2) achieving proper things
>> The fact that parties get many votes that subsequently do the wrong things
>> does not mean that PP's should be concerned about getting *many* votes
>> without a "sufficiently" explicit strategy!
>
> However we do have a strategy -look at the pirate parties at a glance-:
>
> http://int.piratenpartei.de/Pirate_Manifesto_parties_at_a_glance
>
> - civil rights & liberties (privacy, freedom of speech, etc)
> - enhancing freedom of information (encouraging the information society,
> changing the patent system, changing the author's rights system)
> - public office transparency & accountability
>
> I have explained why I think we should have a strategy; now you explain why
> we shouldn't, specially as we haven't:
>
> - as much money in the bank (and even entire banks behind)
> - as many supportive mass media behind
> - as many loyal voters behind (of those who vote a party no matter how bad
> that party performs)
>
> like those traditional parties you talk about have. The only thing I've read
> from you is "/hey they do and it works/" ... try again.
>
>
>
>                 Carlos Ayala
>
>                 ( Aiarakoa )
>
>
> Partido Pirata National Board's Chairman
>
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