[pp.int.general] Request - help with research

Mon Jul 6 17:17:58 CEST 2009

2 rules, interesting system..

On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 5:08 PM, Pedro Carvalho
<pedro.carvalhofr at gmail.com>wrote:

> Yes, the 500.000 signatures must also be distributed by at least 1/3 of the
> states (just like the founders). I'm not sure if the Federal District is
> included in this states count. If it does, the number of states goes up to
> 27, and a third of that goes up to 9. Supposedly that`s meant to stop the
> creation of regionalist parties (the law here says all parties must have a
> "national characteristic").
>
> The trick is that for a state to be considered in this 1/3 count, the
> amount of signatures form that state must be 0,1% of its voters.
>
> Summarizing: we must have enough signatures to cover 0,5% of the number of
> national voters from last election (voting is obligatory in Brazil, that`s
> why it`s a lot of people), *and* cover 0,1% of the voters form at least 1/3
> of the states.
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 11:12 AM, Rodrigo Pereira <rodripe at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> We have a ideia to request TSE (Superior Electoral Court) formally to
>> consider electonic signatures too for all new parties including Pirate Party
>> (Partido Pirata). Other parties request this for also its registration, but
>> TSE reject this. 500 thousand signatures in 8 states is a great number to
>> reach in a physically large country like Brazil.
>>
>> The media ridicule formation of new parties becouse Brazil have now 27
>> registered parties and about 5 parties have political power to influence the
>> direction of government. But this is a biased view of politics. Is possible
>> that TSE share this biased view too.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> 2009/7/6 Nicolas Sahlqvist <nicco77 at gmail.com>
>>
>>> Ahh, I thought you just did not spell out millions... ;) In Sweden we say
>>> mil about 10 km of distance, very easy for non Swedes to mixup with English
>>> miles (around 1.6km)...
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 3:28 PM, Rodrigo Pereira <rodripe at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>
>>>> sorry... 500 mil (in portuguese) is 500.000 signatures, 500 thousand
>>>> signatures.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 2009/7/6 Nicolas Sahlqvist <nicco77 at gmail.com>
>>>>
>>>> 0.5% = 500 million signatures? It sounds like a typo considering there
>>>>> is less then 200 million people in Brazil, perhaps you meant to say 500
>>>>> thousand?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 2:16 AM, Rodrigo Pereira <rodripe at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In Brazil, we have the law "9096" of 1995 thats control the creation
>>>>>> and functioning of political parties. By the law, we have this steps to a
>>>>>> political party creation:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 1) One fundation meeting with 101 or more people of 1/3 of brazilian
>>>>>> states (1/3 of 26 states = 8 states); The acta of meeting is registered on
>>>>>> TSE (Superior Electoral Court) with a statute that regulates the functioning
>>>>>> of party and a program that define its politics. The status is written: What
>>>>>> is the party b)  How it works. Parties in Brazil register two main
>>>>>> documents: the party program and the statute. Here we have a relative
>>>>>> freedom to write a statute and a program only ensuring that it complies with
>>>>>> the constitution. I think is possible register other documents like a
>>>>>> declaration of principles in TSE too. The party needs a address in the
>>>>>> capital of Brazil: Brasilia.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2) In this point, the party is registered, but not completely. It
>>>>>> starts a "Support Campaign" that pick signatures of minimum number of 0.5%
>>>>>> the previous election for the Chamber of Deputies. Now its is about 500 mil
>>>>>> signatures. The signatures are on paper, you can not use electronic
>>>>>> signatures.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 3) The signatures have submited to TSE to confirmation. The TSE issue
>>>>>> a certificate that allows the party participate in the elections and have
>>>>>> space on radio and tv, and receive a share of the party fund. The party is
>>>>>> completely registered and participate in the elections.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The Brazilian Pirate Party
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2009/7/5 Andrew Norton <andrew.norton at pirate-party.us>
>>>>>>
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>>>>>>> I'm about to start on another of my 'projects' which will take a
>>>>>>> while,
>>>>>>> but hopefully be of some use (especially for the US). I'm going to be
>>>>>>> looking at democracy. I'd like a little bit of help with the
>>>>>>> research,
>>>>>>> in that I want personal and local insights.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I would like to know your countries requirements for qualifying as a
>>>>>>> political party. I would also like to know the personal experiences
>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>> those that have tried to set up parties and the level of interaction.
>>>>>>> Were the bodies helpful, did they needlessly quibble on the most
>>>>>>> minor
>>>>>>> points, were they unhelpful in general? Basically how hard did the
>>>>>>> groups responsible work to facilitate democracy by enabling the
>>>>>>> establishment of political parties.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Some of you have talked to me of your experiances in the past few
>>>>>>> years,
>>>>>>> and that's part of the motivation for this. However, I would like to
>>>>>>> have all the information together. So, even if you've talked to me
>>>>>>> about
>>>>>>> this in th recent past, having it again, concisely would be much
>>>>>>> appreciated, as it cuts down on the muddle.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You can either send to the list, or direct to me (at
>>>>>>> ktetch at gmail.com)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yours
>>>>>>> Andrew
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>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Rodrigo
>>>>>> http://www.partidopirata.org
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>>>> http://www.partidopirata.org
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>> Rodrigo
>> http://www.partidopirata.org
>>
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