[pp.int.general] Request - help with research

Mon Jul 6 17:08:33 CEST 2009

Yes, the 500.000 signatures must also be distributed by at least 1/3 of the
states (just like the founders). I'm not sure if the Federal District is
included in this states count. If it does, the number of states goes up to
27, and a third of that goes up to 9. Supposedly that`s meant to stop the
creation of regionalist parties (the law here says all parties must have a
"national characteristic").

The trick is that for a state to be considered in this 1/3 count, the amount
of signatures form that state must be 0,1% of its voters.

Summarizing: we must have enough signatures to cover 0,5% of the number of
national voters from last election (voting is obligatory in Brazil, that`s
why it`s a lot of people), *and* cover 0,1% of the voters form at least 1/3
of the states.

On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 11:12 AM, Rodrigo Pereira <rodripe at gmail.com> wrote:

> We have a ideia to request TSE (Superior Electoral Court) formally to
> consider electonic signatures too for all new parties including Pirate Party
> (Partido Pirata). Other parties request this for also its registration, but
> TSE reject this. 500 thousand signatures in 8 states is a great number to
> reach in a physically large country like Brazil.
>
> The media ridicule formation of new parties becouse Brazil have now 27
> registered parties and about 5 parties have political power to influence the
> direction of government. But this is a biased view of politics. Is possible
> that TSE share this biased view too.
>
>
>
>
> 2009/7/6 Nicolas Sahlqvist <nicco77 at gmail.com>
>
>> Ahh, I thought you just did not spell out millions... ;) In Sweden we say
>> mil about 10 km of distance, very easy for non Swedes to mixup with English
>> miles (around 1.6km)...
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 3:28 PM, Rodrigo Pereira <rodripe at gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> sorry... 500 mil (in portuguese) is 500.000 signatures, 500 thousand
>>> signatures.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 2009/7/6 Nicolas Sahlqvist <nicco77 at gmail.com>
>>>
>>> 0.5% = 500 million signatures? It sounds like a typo considering there is
>>>> less then 200 million people in Brazil, perhaps you meant to say 500
>>>> thousand?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 2:16 AM, Rodrigo Pereira <rodripe at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>
>>>>> In Brazil, we have the law "9096" of 1995 thats control the creation
>>>>> and functioning of political parties. By the law, we have this steps to a
>>>>> political party creation:
>>>>>
>>>>> 1) One fundation meeting with 101 or more people of 1/3 of brazilian
>>>>> states (1/3 of 26 states = 8 states); The acta of meeting is registered on
>>>>> TSE (Superior Electoral Court) with a statute that regulates the functioning
>>>>> of party and a program that define its politics. The status is written: What
>>>>> is the party b)  How it works. Parties in Brazil register two main
>>>>> documents: the party program and the statute. Here we have a relative
>>>>> freedom to write a statute and a program only ensuring that it complies with
>>>>> the constitution. I think is possible register other documents like a
>>>>> declaration of principles in TSE too. The party needs a address in the
>>>>> capital of Brazil: Brasilia.
>>>>>
>>>>> 2) In this point, the party is registered, but not completely. It
>>>>> starts a "Support Campaign" that pick signatures of minimum number of 0.5%
>>>>> the previous election for the Chamber of Deputies. Now its is about 500 mil
>>>>> signatures. The signatures are on paper, you can not use electronic
>>>>> signatures.
>>>>>
>>>>> 3) The signatures have submited to TSE to confirmation. The TSE issue a
>>>>> certificate that allows the party participate in the elections and have
>>>>> space on radio and tv, and receive a share of the party fund. The party is
>>>>> completely registered and participate in the elections.
>>>>>
>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>
>>>>> The Brazilian Pirate Party
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> 2009/7/5 Andrew Norton <andrew.norton at pirate-party.us>
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>>>>>> I'm about to start on another of my 'projects' which will take a
>>>>>> while,
>>>>>> but hopefully be of some use (especially for the US). I'm going to be
>>>>>> looking at democracy. I'd like a little bit of help with the research,
>>>>>> in that I want personal and local insights.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I would like to know your countries requirements for qualifying as a
>>>>>> political party. I would also like to know the personal experiences of
>>>>>> those that have tried to set up parties and the level of interaction.
>>>>>> Were the bodies helpful, did they needlessly quibble on the most minor
>>>>>> points, were they unhelpful in general? Basically how hard did the
>>>>>> groups responsible work to facilitate democracy by enabling the
>>>>>> establishment of political parties.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Some of you have talked to me of your experiances in the past few
>>>>>> years,
>>>>>> and that's part of the motivation for this. However, I would like to
>>>>>> have all the information together. So, even if you've talked to me
>>>>>> about
>>>>>> this in th recent past, having it again, concisely would be much
>>>>>> appreciated, as it cuts down on the muddle.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You can either send to the list, or direct to me (at ktetch at gmail.com
>>>>>> )
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yours
>>>>>> Andrew
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>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Rodrigo
>>>>> http://www.partidopirata.org
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