[pp.int.general] Request - help with research

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Mon Jul 6 11:19:22 CEST 2009

In The Netherlands, it is very easy to start a political party/movement. If you want to participate in elections, you must pay an amount of money (something like 10000 euro) and you only get it back if you het electred. There is no threshold: to get one (of 150) seats, you need 1/150 votes, which is about 60000 votes.

I wonder whether "democracy" should be an explict PP issue. The situation between country widely varies (unlike in "intellectual property") and there are usually no easy solutions.

To name just one problem: should PP welcome or reject populist parties that have become so fashionable lately? Incidentally, the Piratpartiet was labeled "populist" itself. Proponents argue that populist parties care for the real needs of real people, unlike the political establishment. Another definition of populist is: luring voters by making unrealistic proposals ("kick all muslims out"). 

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Von: pp.international.general-bounces at lists.pirateweb.net im Auftrag von Nicolas Sahlqvist
Gesendet: Mo 7/6/2009 9:32
An: Pirate Parties International -- General Talk
Betreff: Re: [pp.int.general] Request - help with research
0.5% = 500 million signatures? It sounds like a typo considering there is
less then 200 million people in Brazil, perhaps you meant to say 500

On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 2:16 AM, Rodrigo Pereira <rodripe at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hello,
> In Brazil, we have the law "9096" of 1995 thats control the creation and
> functioning of political parties. By the law, we have this steps to a
> political party creation:
> 1) One fundation meeting with 101 or more people of 1/3 of brazilian states
> (1/3 of 26 states = 8 states); The acta of meeting is registered on TSE
> (Superior Electoral Court) with a statute that regulates the functioning of
> party and a program that define its politics. The status is written: What is
> the party b)  How it works. Parties in Brazil register two main documents:
> the party program and the statute. Here we have a relative freedom to write
> a statute and a program only ensuring that it complies with the
> constitution. I think is possible register other documents like a
> declaration of principles in TSE too. The party needs a address in the
> capital of Brazil: Brasilia.
> 2) In this point, the party is registered, but not completely. It starts a
> "Support Campaign" that pick signatures of minimum number of 0.5% the
> previous election for the Chamber of Deputies. Now its is about 500 mil
> signatures. The signatures are on paper, you can not use electronic
> signatures.
> 3) The signatures have submited to TSE to confirmation. The TSE issue a
> certificate that allows the party participate in the elections and have
> space on radio and tv, and receive a share of the party fund. The party is
> completely registered and participate in the elections.
> Best regards,
> The Brazilian Pirate Party
> 2009/7/5 Andrew Norton <andrew.norton at pirate-party.us>
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>> I'm about to start on another of my 'projects' which will take a while,
>> but hopefully be of some use (especially for the US). I'm going to be
>> looking at democracy. I'd like a little bit of help with the research,
>> in that I want personal and local insights.
>> I would like to know your countries requirements for qualifying as a
>> political party. I would also like to know the personal experiences of
>> those that have tried to set up parties and the level of interaction.
>> Were the bodies helpful, did they needlessly quibble on the most minor
>> points, were they unhelpful in general? Basically how hard did the
>> groups responsible work to facilitate democracy by enabling the
>> establishment of political parties.
>> Some of you have talked to me of your experiances in the past few years,
>> and that's part of the motivation for this. However, I would like to
>> have all the information together. So, even if you've talked to me about
>> this in th recent past, having it again, concisely would be much
>> appreciated, as it cuts down on the muddle.
>> You can either send to the list, or direct to me (at ktetch at gmail.com)
>> Yours
>> Andrew
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