[pp.int.general] Request - help with research

Tue Jul 7 03:36:29 CEST 2009

Things are a little more complicated Reinier. For example, you need to  
get a threshold per province. You can run, without getting that  
treshold, but not gain votes from that area.
Currently, I'm creating a package for Norton his research, i'll CC you  
the data once done.

When it comes to the discussion that you are trying to coin. I'll just  
give you my opinion, and a avoid further hazzle. I'm active for the  
dutch pirate party, because of democracy.
If PP(NL) core issues where not about democracy, i would not even  
write this. And most members, even see democracy as our primary  
objective. Without free information, you can't have a free society.
So i really don't think this is up to debate.

And when it comes to your second argument, PP is what it is, not what  
people say it is. I'm confident in all PP leaders putting their action  
where their mouth is.
We are changing something negative, into something positive. People  
like pirates, and people are no longer able to take people like  
Timotheus Kuik serious.
Terrain is being gained. Even in mainstream media ! You would not  
download a car right  ?
Right now Robbie is taking this one step further, and is setting up a  
"Shaming" campaign. ( No slander or anything like that !  just some  
faces + quotes and a organigram.)
I already connected him towards several "Anti Industry  / BREIN "  
activist groups.
International templates of the concept are also in the making.

By the way, you know that Amelia is about to debate Andrew Keen @  
Incubate.org - Tilburg ? ( Interested in going  ? )
Just to round things up : lists.piratenpartij.nl is about to be used.  
( It's working,  but the management section is not, since our security  
is a bit 2 tight. )

Now let's get back on topic !  - Help with research! -

On Jul 6, 2009, at 11:19 AM, <bakel362 at planet.nl> wrote:

>
> In The Netherlands, it is very easy to start a political party/ 
> movement. If you want to participate in elections, you must pay an  
> amount of money (something like 10000 euro) and you only get it back  
> if you het electred. There is no threshold: to get one (of 150)  
> seats, you need 1/150 votes, which is about 60000 votes.
>
> I wonder whether "democracy" should be an explict PP issue. The  
> situation between country widely varies (unlike in "intellectual  
> property") and there are usually no easy solutions.
>
> To name just one problem: should PP welcome or reject populist  
> parties that have become so fashionable lately? Incidentally, the  
> Piratpartiet was labeled "populist" itself. Proponents argue that  
> populist parties care for the real needs of real people, unlike the  
> political establishment. Another definition of populist is: luring  
> voters by making unrealistic proposals ("kick all muslims out").
>
> Groeten, Grüße, Regards, Cordialement, Hälsningar, Ciao, Saygilar,  
> Üdvözlettel, Pozdrowienia, Kumusta, Adios, Oan't sjen, Ave, Doei,  
> Yassou
>>>> REINIER B. BAKELS
> private: Johan Willem Frisostraat 149, 2713 CC Zoetermeer, The  
> Netherlands telephone: +31 79 316 3126, GSM ("Handy") +31 6 4988  
> 6490,  fax +31 79 316 7221
>
>
>
> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: pp.international.general-bounces at lists.pirateweb.net im Auftrag  
> von Nicolas Sahlqvist
> Gesendet: Mo 7/6/2009 9:32
> An: Pirate Parties International -- General Talk
> Betreff: Re: [pp.int.general] Request - help with research
>
> 0.5% = 500 million signatures? It sounds like a typo considering  
> there is
> less then 200 million people in Brazil, perhaps you meant to say 500
> thousand?
>
> On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 2:16 AM, Rodrigo Pereira <rodripe at gmail.com>  
> wrote:
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> In Brazil, we have the law "9096" of 1995 thats control the  
>> creation and
>> functioning of political parties. By the law, we have this steps to a
>> political party creation:
>>
>> 1) One fundation meeting with 101 or more people of 1/3 of  
>> brazilian states
>> (1/3 of 26 states = 8 states); The acta of meeting is registered on  
>> TSE
>> (Superior Electoral Court) with a statute that regulates the  
>> functioning of
>> party and a program that define its politics. The status is  
>> written: What is
>> the party b)  How it works. Parties in Brazil register two main  
>> documents:
>> the party program and the statute. Here we have a relative freedom  
>> to write
>> a statute and a program only ensuring that it complies with the
>> constitution. I think is possible register other documents like a
>> declaration of principles in TSE too. The party needs a address in  
>> the
>> capital of Brazil: Brasilia.
>>
>> 2) In this point, the party is registered, but not completely. It  
>> starts a
>> "Support Campaign" that pick signatures of minimum number of 0.5% the
>> previous election for the Chamber of Deputies. Now its is about 500  
>> mil
>> signatures. The signatures are on paper, you can not use electronic
>> signatures.
>>
>> 3) The signatures have submited to TSE to confirmation. The TSE  
>> issue a
>> certificate that allows the party participate in the elections and  
>> have
>> space on radio and tv, and receive a share of the party fund. The  
>> party is
>> completely registered and participate in the elections.
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> The Brazilian Pirate Party
>>
>>
>> 2009/7/5 Andrew Norton <andrew.norton at pirate-party.us>
>>
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>>> I'm about to start on another of my 'projects' which will take a  
>>> while,
>>> but hopefully be of some use (especially for the US). I'm going to  
>>> be
>>> looking at democracy. I'd like a little bit of help with the  
>>> research,
>>> in that I want personal and local insights.
>>>
>>>
>>> I would like to know your countries requirements for qualifying as a
>>> political party. I would also like to know the personal  
>>> experiences of
>>> those that have tried to set up parties and the level of  
>>> interaction.
>>> Were the bodies helpful, did they needlessly quibble on the most  
>>> minor
>>> points, were they unhelpful in general? Basically how hard did the
>>> groups responsible work to facilitate democracy by enabling the
>>> establishment of political parties.
>>>
>>> Some of you have talked to me of your experiances in the past few  
>>> years,
>>> and that's part of the motivation for this. However, I would like to
>>> have all the information together. So, even if you've talked to me  
>>> about
>>> this in th recent past, having it again, concisely would be much
>>> appreciated, as it cuts down on the muddle.
>>>
>>> You can either send to the list, or direct to me (at ktetch at gmail.com 
>>> )
>>>
>>> Yours
>>> Andrew
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>>
>>
>> --
>> Rodrigo
>> http://www.partidopirata.org
>>
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