[pp.int.general] cultural flatrate: PP position?

[Félix Robles]

You say:

> "But I also want that artist retreive money, if someone copies their work -
> unless the artists themselves  decide to free their work"
>

I answer:

> "it  is wrong because a download/copy doesn't mean a lost sale. It also
> doesn't mean 0.001 lost sales if that's what you are thinking. It means ZERO
> lost sales"
>

Then you answer you fully agree? How's that possible? You want artists to be
rewarded for copies of their work even when you agree a copy means zero lost
sales?


On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 11:26 AM, <pp at christian-hufgard.de> wrote:

> On Tue, Jun 09, 2009 at 11:15:51AM +0200, Félix Robles wrote:
> >
> > > "But I also want that artist retreive money, if someone copies their
> work -
> > > unless the artists themselves  decide to free their work"
> > >
> >
> > And that's absolutely against what every Pirate Party is trying to
> achieve.
> > What you are saying there is exactly the position of the RIAA, MPAA and
> all
> > those lobbys.
>
> No. RIAA, MPAA, GEMA and all the others don't want any free art. The want
> to be paid themselves for each copy - after having signed buy-out-contracts
> with the artists.
>
> > And it  is wrong because a download/copy doesn't mean a lost
> > sale. It also doesn't mean 0.001 lost sales if that's what you are
> thinking.
> > It means ZERO lost sales!
>
> I fully agree. And in the case of a "traditional" copy the artist even
> receives some money - or the rightowner does. What do you suggest artists to
> do? Oh, I forget that you are just lobbying for downloaders and not for
> artists.
>
> I suggest them to free their art at least cc-by-nc-sa, get famous in the
> net and gain money with live-shows and direct sales of cds, shirts and other
> fanwork.
>
> > And that's absolutely against what every Pirate Party is trying to
> achieve.
>
> Then I must have misunderstood the uppsala declration.
>
> Christian
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