[pp.int.general] One good, one bad

[Jerry Weyer]

On 3 nov. 09, at 20:37, Félix Robles wrote:

> One thing is a Treaty and another a Constitution. But the Lisbon  
> Treaty is the failed European Constitution with makeup changes, so  
> how's that our governments are going to override our whole national  
> constitutions with another one without the due democratic process? 
> Why is it that they wanted to subject the failed European  
> Constitution to national referendums and not the Lisbon Treaty when  
> they are practically the same thing?

As I said, it's not the Lisbon Treaty that changes anything about the  
hierarchy of EC law and national constitutions. The EC/EU treaties are  
at european level of the same value as the national constitutions (on  
an informal level they are even superior).

I'm not saying there shouldn't have been referendum, but the treaty  
would have failed again an that would have been a huge problem! The  
Lisbon treaty is a great improvement on the old treaties and makes the  
EU a more democratic an better functioning body. It's by no means as  
democratic as it could/should be, nor does it function as effectively  
as it should/could, but a failure of the treaty would have caused  
serious problems in the EU and (this is important) in every single  
member state!

We need a stronger european Parliament and the pirate parties have to  
make sure they fight for that cause, not against the EU or the EU  
parliament!