[pp.int.general] One good, one bad

[Félix Robles]

One thing is a Treaty and another a Constitution. But the Lisbon Treaty is
the failed European Constitution with makeup changes, so how's that our
governments are going to override our whole national constitutions with
another one without the due democratic process? Why is it that they wanted
to subject the failed European Constitution to national referendums and not
the Lisbon Treaty when they are practically the same thing?

On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 7:44 PM, Jerry Weyer <jerry.weyer at piratepartei.lu>wrote:

>
> On 3 nov. 09, at 18:49, Félix Robles wrote:
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> On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 6:25 PM, Philip Hunt <cabalamat at googlemail.com>
> wrote:
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>> 2009/11/3 Rick Falkvinge (Piratpartiet) <rick at piratpartiet.se>:
>> > Two things:
>> >
>> > 1) Vaclav Klaus just signed the Lisbon Treaty. It will now go into
>> > effect on Dec 1, 2009. (The bad.)
>>
>> Am I alone in thinking the Lisbon Treaty is not such a bad thing?
>>
>>
> I've read that it overrides the national constitutions. If that's true,
> it's a pretty bad thing.
>
>
> That's the case since the mid 60s! EC (soon EU) law overrides national
> constitutions since Van Gent en Loos and Costa (ECJ 1960s). One can argue if
> its a good thing or not (I say it's good), but it's a fact for some decades
> now!
>
> The Lisbon Treaty is a step in the right direction, it is nor perfect, but
> how can it?
>
> P.S. Hello to the list! I'm Vice-president of the Luxemburgisch Pirate
> Party and have been reading for quite some time, but now I though I had to
> step in ;)
>
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