[pp.int.general] Translation of the Pirate Manifesto
david.arcos at gmail.com
Wed Nov 11 10:44:06 CET 2009
That's not true at all.
1) The Manifesto was voted, the Amends were voted.
Every pirate party chose the way to vote the amends. In Spain, each member
of the party voted each amends.
2) The Manifesto (and the Amends) was not done by a single-man in a
single-session. It was discussed and discussed and discussed for several
months, and there was one person representing each party:
3) The Manifesto wan't gonna be definitive, but a first version to be
improved over the time.
4) The Manifesto failed because it was boycotted by PiratPartiet. Yes, I
know that they were in pre-elections and had millions of things to do, and I
can understand that the manifesto was not a priority. But, in the long term,
the Manifesto is very important.
On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 8:40 AM, Reinier Bakels <r.bakels at planet.nl> wrote:
> I am becoming a bit confused: is there actually a document, a sentence,
>> anything, that is (more-or-less) "official" and on what (almost) all the
>> Pirate Parties agree?
> No, afaik there is not. By the end of 2008, the manifesto "A-B-C" project
> was abandoned by most contributors after heavy flame wars, and in the end is
> really was the project of a single man, Carlos Ayala. During the Helsinki
> meeting early this year, it was *not* discussed at all. Carlos was
> disappointed, but he was pretty alone.
> The Uppsala document (composed during the summer 2008 meeting) wasn't so
> much intended as *the* PP "Manifesto", but more the by-product of a (very
> useful) workshop, a mental exercise to better understand PP goals and
> I wrote a one page "PPI Principles" document for the Helsinki meeting (see
> attachment), more to provide an alternative than because I believe(d) that a
> manifesto was (or is) a priority. We spent little time on it in the meeting,
> fortunately. The purpose of a political party is to gain votes, and a
> "philosophical" documents like a manifesto should be judged from that
> perspective: does it help to get more votes? As you know, actually
> deceptively few voters read party programs.
> I won't repeat here why I believe that the A-B-C manifesto's are not
> suitable as *the* PP manifesto (else I unleash another flame war, I am
> Pirate Parties International - General Talk
> pp.international.general at lists.pirateweb.net
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