[pp.int.general] Translation of the Pirate Manifesto

[Reinier Bakels]

Andrew, if you want to tell me that you HATE me, go ahead, but do it offline 
and don't bother the entire list.

The only thing of interest to the list is how to proceed with the Manifesto 
project.

Please explain (not to me, to the list) whether and how you want to proceed 
with this project.

If you really don't want criticism, OK. Then we know were we stand.

But I will definitely voice my opinion if and when someone publishes a 
manifesto as The PP Manifesto, because that will affect the entire movement.

reinier
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Andrew Norton" <ktetch at gmail.com>
To: "Pirate Parties International -- General Talk" 
<pp.international.general at lists.pirateweb.net>
Sent: Friday, November 13, 2009 6:31 PM
Subject: Re: [pp.int.general] Translation of the Pirate Manifesto


On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 10:02 AM, Reinier Bakels <r.bakels at planet.nl> wrote:
>> This kind of personal argument is not contributing anything to the PPI
>> mailinglist.
>
> Agreed! With all the fuzz though, we should not forget that initially 
> there
> was a *genuine* question: which manifesto should be translated e.g. into
> Italian, if any?

And yet again, Reinier, you prove you can't read, and can't check.
There was no question, beyond how to translate 'grub', which was
answered.

There was a statement about translating them into Italian, which came
a little laterand said "I and another guy are translating all the
drafts." No questions, no asking for opinions (certainly not yours)
and absolutely no basis, or even mildly conceptual way you could
derive that "*genuine* question" from the ACTUAL conversations in the
thread.

>I haven't seen a manifesto proposal yet suitable for
> political purposes 1) for promotion 2) as a set of principles binding
> pirates. In a volunteer organisation like PP, everyone can make proposals.
> But for external "marketing", the words should be chosen very carefully. 
> We
> should not communicate any "preliminary" manifesto. It could cause a lot 
> of
> harm. Better no manifesto than a bad manifesto, imho.
>

Or, to paraphrase your entire line of arguments on this (over the past
year) best not make any arguments, because someone can always come up
with a counter-argument, even of dubious viability.

> reinier
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