[pp.int.general] Some parting thoughts

[Joonas Mäkinen]

A word of warning:
This is starting to sound flamy. Watch it, people.

2009/10/18 Glenn Kerbein <glenn.kerbein at pirate-party.us>

> Eduardo,
>        It's amazing how you can boil down a parting speech to only a few
> sentences about lobby groups. It only epitomizes your naïveté.
>
> Eduardo Robles Elvira wrote:
> > In Spain it is currently legal to download copyrighted music or movies
> > from p2p if it's for personal use, so if you want to download any
> > artist's latest album you have the legal right to do so. And I should
> > note that you should exercise your rights in the same way you exercise
> > your muscles, to get them in shape.
> >
> > Bottom line being, if something is illegal in your country it doesn't
> > mean it's also illegal in the rest of the world. After reading your
> > initial email I got the feeling that the FUD spread by the the
> > anti-pirate lobby has really affected even to the people in PP-USA and
> > that is really sad.
> >
> > Regards,
> >      Eduardo Robles Elvira (Member of PIRATA)
> >
> >> El 18/10/2009 18:08, "Glenn Kerbein" <glenn.kerbein at pirate-party.us
> >> <mailto:glenn.kerbein at pirate-party.us>> escribió:
> >>
> >> Jeremy Morton wrote: > Glenn Kerbein wrote: >> All, >> I am stepping
> >> down as co-administrator ...
> >>
> >> Civil disobedience is one thing. Endorsing that you should download
> >> Kayne West's latest album is another.
> >> In before "Imma let you finish".
> >>
> >> >> Many of our European counterparts want to outright deny any >>
> >> intelligent >> reasoning why f...
> >>
> >> I won't name names, as that would only incite further flamewars. I know
> >> of two parties that do this sort of thing. Luckily, the PPUK is not one
> >> of them.
> >>
> >> >> Simply saying "go ahead and do it, we can't stop you" only >>
> >> exacerbates the issue. It leads to ...
> >>
> >> That's one vast and overbroad statement, sir. Not necessarily incorrect,
> >> but also not wholly correct.
> >>
> >> > And honestly, what other more trenchant platforms do we have to
> >> pursue? > We even gave ourselves ...
> >>
> >> Maybe you need a history lesson: we should pursue what ostensibly
> >> amounts to the treading upon people's rights. The US PATRIOT Act is,
> >> well, a popular and obvious target. We need to examine and deduce what
> >> is wrong with copyright: not what is wrong with filesharing. Why is the
> >> Grey Album disallowed and why does this run abet to our cultural past?
> >> [I know the answer to both, but I won't elaborate].
> >>
> >> >> Secondly, the direction that a few of the PPs have been going may
> >> not >> be in the best of i...
> >>
> >> Maybe. Maybe not. Perhaps you should re-read my argument.
> >>
> >> > > Best regards, > Jeremy Morton (Jez) >
> >> ____________________________________________________ > Pi...
> >>
> >> -- Glenn "Channel6" Kerbein United States Pirate Party "Burn,
> >> Hollywood, Burn" http://www.pirate-pa...
> >>
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Joonas "JoonasD6" Mäkinen
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Piraattinuoret - Piratungdom

Department of Mathematics and Statistics
Faculty of Science
University of Helsinki

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