[pp.int.general] La Quadrature du Net: Amendment 138 dead by lack of courage of the Parliament

[Nicolas Sahlqvist]

Ok, also translated todays blog from CE:
http://etherpad.com/tBIfGN4eiO


- Nicolas


On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 11:56 AM, Nicolas Sahlqvist <nicco77 at gmail.com>wrote:

> I think the Council prefer vague terms and that is why this needs more
> publicity so spread the translation with analyzes such as these and do not
> hesitate to contact Christian for feedback, no point in we starting to
> assume what he says.. We are not the media so we should provide a reliable
> source of information to the media when we can in my opinion.
>
> - Nicolas
>
>
> 2009/10/22 Félix Robles <redeadlink at gmail.com>
>
> Christian says:
>>
>> *"*
>>> *It contains, as I said a "prior", and the more I think about it all the
>>> more fond I become of the statement that the closures will only take place
>>> under "exceptional circumstances". No man can of course argue that it would
>>> be something exceptional with someone being accused of file sharing.
>>> According to the IFPI itself it's around 3 million people in Sweden alone
>>> dealing with it. ;)
>>> *
>>>
>> *"*
>>
>>
>> When he talks about "exceptional circumstances" he is talking about this
>> part of the text<http://www.laquadrature.net/wiki/EP_Flawed_Proposal_20091020>
>> :*
>>
>> *
>>
>> *"**"3a. Measures taken by Member States regarding end-users' access to
>> or use of services and applications through electronic communications
>> networks[...]*
>> *Any such measures liable to restrict those fundamental rights or
>> freedoms may only be taken in exceptional circumstances and imposed if
>> they are necessary, appropriate and proportionate within a democratic
>> society*"
>>
>> But, as they say at La Quadrature, "exceptional circumstances",
>> "appropriate", "necessary" are vague terms and are very open to
>> interpretation. Those terms should be removed and replaced with others that
>> are crystal clear and specific.
>>
>> When he says it contains "prior", I hope he's talking about "prior ruling
>> by the judicial authorities" , and in that case, I hope that the prior
>> ruling is also necessary even on "exceptional circumstances" and you all
>> know what I mean...
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Felix Robles
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 10:56 AM, Nicolas Sahlqvist <nicco77 at gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> Correction:"Christian Engström (PPSE MEP) wrote a interesting blog entry
>>> about he perceived things yesterday so you may want to have a look at my
>>> translation:"
>>>
>>> Hmm, so easy to get lost in translation..
>>>
>>>
>>> - Nicolas
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 10:54 AM, Nicolas Sahlqvist <nicco77 at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>
>>>> Christian Engström (PPSE MEP) wrote a interesting blog entry about he
>>>> preserved things yesterday so you may want to have a look at my translation:
>>>> http://etherpad.com/02r8u558Lb
>>>>
>>>> Please do not hesitate to release it to the press and you can do
>>>> adjustments on EtherPad in case needed, but let me know for larger changes
>>>> so we do not get completely lost in translation.. ;)
>>>>
>>>> No, I did not translate all referred documents such as Hax blog entry
>>>> etc, besides EtherPad does not support linking.. It would be nice if someone
>>>> was hired to do these translations in Brussels for the case of transparency.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> - Nicolas
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 6:56 PM, Nicolas Sahlqvist <nicco77 at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> This is how it can go in a odd place like EU negotiations..
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.laquadrature.net/en/amendment-138-dead-by-lack-of-courage-of-the-parliament
>>>>>
>>>>> - Nicolas
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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