[pp.int.general] La Quadrature du Net: Amendment 138 dead by lack of courage of the Parliament

[Félix Robles]

Thanks for your effort Nicolas.

This is outrageous. Is this how freedom of speech at internet ends? This
will not affect Spain because our constitution explicitly requires a judge
order prior censoring each and any publication (which includes any internet
webpage among other things), but what about the rest of the countries? I
mean, for example, the UK, which has no Constitution.

On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 5:49 PM, Nicolas Sahlqvist <nicco77 at gmail.com>wrote:

> Ok, also translated todays blog from CE:
>
> http://etherpad.com/tBIfGN4eiO
>
>
> - Nicolas
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 11:56 AM, Nicolas Sahlqvist <nicco77 at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> I think the Council prefer vague terms and that is why this needs more
>> publicity so spread the translation with analyzes such as these and do not
>> hesitate to contact Christian for feedback, no point in we starting to
>> assume what he says.. We are not the media so we should provide a reliable
>> source of information to the media when we can in my opinion.
>>
>>
>> - Nicolas
>>
>>
>> 2009/10/22 Félix Robles <redeadlink at gmail.com>
>>
>> Christian says:
>>>
>>> *"*
>>>> *It contains, as I said a "prior", and the more I think about it all
>>>> the more fond I become of the statement that the closures will only take
>>>> place under "exceptional circumstances". No man can of course argue that it
>>>> would be something exceptional with someone being accused of file sharing.
>>>> According to the IFPI itself it's around 3 million people in Sweden alone
>>>> dealing with it. ;)
>>>> *
>>>>
>>> *"*
>>>
>>>
>>> When he talks about "exceptional circumstances" he is talking about this
>>> part of the text<http://www.laquadrature.net/wiki/EP_Flawed_Proposal_20091020>
>>> :*
>>>
>>> *
>>>
>>> *"**"3a. Measures taken by Member States regarding end-users' access to
>>> or use of services and applications through electronic communications
>>> networks[...]*
>>> *Any such measures liable to restrict those fundamental rights or
>>> freedoms may only be taken in exceptional circumstances and imposed if
>>> they are necessary, appropriate and proportionate within a democratic
>>> society*"
>>>
>>> But, as they say at La Quadrature, "exceptional circumstances",
>>> "appropriate", "necessary" are vague terms and are very open to
>>> interpretation. Those terms should be removed and replaced with others that
>>> are crystal clear and specific.
>>>
>>> When he says it contains "prior", I hope he's talking about "prior ruling
>>> by the judicial authorities" , and in that case, I hope that the prior
>>> ruling is also necessary even on "exceptional circumstances" and you all
>>> know what I mean...
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Felix Robles
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 10:56 AM, Nicolas Sahlqvist <nicco77 at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>
>>>> Correction:
>>>> "Christian Engström (PPSE MEP) wrote a interesting blog entry about he
>>>> perceived things yesterday so you may want to have a look at my
>>>> translation:"
>>>>
>>>> Hmm, so easy to get lost in translation..
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> - Nicolas
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 10:54 AM, Nicolas Sahlqvist <nicco77 at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Christian Engström (PPSE MEP) wrote a interesting blog entry about he
>>>>> preserved things yesterday so you may want to have a look at my translation:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://etherpad.com/02r8u558Lb
>>>>>
>>>>> Please do not hesitate to release it to the press and you can do
>>>>> adjustments on EtherPad in case needed, but let me know for larger changes
>>>>> so we do not get completely lost in translation.. ;)
>>>>>
>>>>> No, I did not translate all referred documents such as Hax blog entry
>>>>> etc, besides EtherPad does not support linking.. It would be nice if someone
>>>>> was hired to do these translations in Brussels for the case of transparency.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> - Nicolas
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 6:56 PM, Nicolas Sahlqvist <nicco77 at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> This is how it can go in a odd place like EU negotiations..
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.laquadrature.net/en/amendment-138-dead-by-lack-of-courage-of-the-parliament
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> - Nicolas
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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