[pp.int.general] The Pirate Bay and the Pirate Party

[Glenn Kerbein]

Removing links to torrent files is completely dissimilar to resolving
GPS coordinates. A proper analogy would be using an eraser to remove
writing on a public chalkboard, if anything.

coretx wrote:
> Telling us /why/ it does not make sense, would be a much more valuable
> contribution to a constructive debate.
> In my personal opinion,  it would more be like google removing 3 GPS
> coordinates, which could be used by the reader
> for triangulation of the knife location.While the user is doing the math
> using the services of a third party who does nothing but calculate.
> 
> On Oct 25, 2009, at 8:56 PM, Glenn Kerbein wrote:
> 
>> That doesn't make a bit of sense.
>>
>> Félix Robles wrote:
>>> But why should Google or any other webpage have to remove links to
>>> torrent files? That's like removing from a webpage the GPS coordinates
>>> of a knife.
>>>
>>> On Sun, Oct 25, 2009 at 8:23 PM, Glenn Kerbein
>>> <glenn.kerbein at pirate-party.us <mailto:glenn.kerbein at pirate-party.us>>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>    Agreed.
>>>    Furthermore, your argument about indexers is poor at best. Google has
>>>    agents to handle takedown requests for YouTube, images, and the
>>> sites it
>>>    indexes. See Viacom v. Youtube. The Pirate Bay /prides itself/ on not
>>>    employing any takedown agents (thus not having the safe harbor
>>> clause).
>>>    I suggest that you peruse Professor James Boyle's The Public Domain
>>>    (particularly the chapter entitled "The Internet Threat"): he waxes
>>>    eloquently about the subject of Napster and Grokster.
>>>
>>>    Charly wrote:
>>>> I think it becomes a problem when people are confused about the
>>>> distinction between the two organisations. I've heard people
>>>    calling us
>>>> the "Pirate Bay Party" (cringe).
>>>> Boundaries between TPB and PP need to be made clear.
>>>> Charly
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Oct 25, 2009 at 6:57 PM, Nicolas Sahlqvist
>>>    <nicco77 at gmail.com <mailto:nicco77 at gmail.com>
>>>> <mailto:nicco77 at gmail.com <mailto:nicco77 at gmail.com>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>    TPB is a index engine like Google and both indexes torrents where
>>>>    Google actually hold infringed content via YouTube and Google
>>>    Books
>>>>    while PP's does neither.
>>>>
>>>>    I know politics is so sensitive and therefore the crappy argument,
>>>>    but would we exist without Napster, TPB etc? It kinda feels
>>>    silly to
>>>>    deny once relatives..
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>    - Nicolas
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>    On Sun, Oct 25, 2009 at 7:35 PM, Glenn Kerbein
>>>>    <glenn.kerbein at pirate-party.us
>>>    <mailto:glenn.kerbein at pirate-party.us>
>>>>    <mailto:glenn.kerbein at pirate-party.us
>>>    <mailto:glenn.kerbein at pirate-party.us>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>        I'm going to side with RMS on this.
>>>>
>>>>        Richard Stallman wrote:
>>>>> If TPB promotes the Pirate Party, it would tend to
>>>    support the
>>>>        statements
>>>>> that some people make that "You're just a bunch of
>>>    criminals."
>>>>> This might be a reason not to do it.
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>>>>        --
>>>>        Glenn "Channel6" Kerbein
>>>>        United States Pirate Party
>>>>        "Burn, Hollywood, Burn"
>>>>        http://www.pirate-party.us/
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>>>    United States Pirate Party
>>>    "Burn, Hollywood, Burn"
>>>    http://www.pirate-party.us/
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>>
>> -- 
>> Glenn "Channel6" Kerbein
>> United States Pirate Party
>> "Burn, Hollywood, Burn"
>> http://www.pirate-party.us/
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-- 
Glenn "Channel6" Kerbein
United States Pirate Party
"Burn, Hollywood, Burn"
http://www.pirate-party.us/