[pp.int.general] The Pirate Bay and the Pirate Party

[coretx]

I'm missing out /why/ it would be a better analogy.

You still have not told us why the previous  statement does not make  
sense.
In fact, you have only given the impression of not knowing how  
torrents work.
And therefore, decrease the value of your opinion on this topic.

On Oct 25, 2009, at 9:12 PM, Glenn Kerbein wrote:

> Removing links to torrent files is completely dissimilar to resolving
> GPS coordinates. A proper analogy would be using an eraser to remove
> writing on a public chalkboard, if anything.
>
> coretx wrote:
>> Telling us /why/ it does not make sense, would be a much more  
>> valuable
>> contribution to a constructive debate.
>> In my personal opinion,  it would more be like google removing 3 GPS
>> coordinates, which could be used by the reader
>> for triangulation of the knife location.While the user is doing the  
>> math
>> using the services of a third party who does nothing but calculate.
>>
>> On Oct 25, 2009, at 8:56 PM, Glenn Kerbein wrote:
>>
>>> That doesn't make a bit of sense.
>>>
>>> Félix Robles wrote:
>>>> But why should Google or any other webpage have to remove links to
>>>> torrent files? That's like removing from a webpage the GPS  
>>>> coordinates
>>>> of a knife.
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Oct 25, 2009 at 8:23 PM, Glenn Kerbein
>>>> <glenn.kerbein at pirate-party.us <mailto:glenn.kerbein at pirate-party.us 
>>>> >>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>   Agreed.
>>>>   Furthermore, your argument about indexers is poor at best.  
>>>> Google has
>>>>   agents to handle takedown requests for YouTube, images, and the
>>>> sites it
>>>>   indexes. See Viacom v. Youtube. The Pirate Bay /prides itself/  
>>>> on not
>>>>   employing any takedown agents (thus not having the safe harbor
>>>> clause).
>>>>   I suggest that you peruse Professor James Boyle's The Public  
>>>> Domain
>>>>   (particularly the chapter entitled "The Internet Threat"): he  
>>>> waxes
>>>>   eloquently about the subject of Napster and Grokster.
>>>>
>>>>   Charly wrote:
>>>>> I think it becomes a problem when people are confused about the
>>>>> distinction between the two organisations. I've heard people
>>>>   calling us
>>>>> the "Pirate Bay Party" (cringe).
>>>>> Boundaries between TPB and PP need to be made clear.
>>>>> Charly
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, Oct 25, 2009 at 6:57 PM, Nicolas Sahlqvist
>>>>   <nicco77 at gmail.com <mailto:nicco77 at gmail.com>
>>>>> <mailto:nicco77 at gmail.com <mailto:nicco77 at gmail.com>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>   TPB is a index engine like Google and both indexes torrents  
>>>>> where
>>>>>   Google actually hold infringed content via YouTube and Google
>>>>   Books
>>>>>   while PP's does neither.
>>>>>
>>>>>   I know politics is so sensitive and therefore the crappy  
>>>>> argument,
>>>>>   but would we exist without Napster, TPB etc? It kinda feels
>>>>   silly to
>>>>>   deny once relatives..
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>   - Nicolas
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>   On Sun, Oct 25, 2009 at 7:35 PM, Glenn Kerbein
>>>>>   <glenn.kerbein at pirate-party.us
>>>>   <mailto:glenn.kerbein at pirate-party.us>
>>>>>   <mailto:glenn.kerbein at pirate-party.us
>>>>   <mailto:glenn.kerbein at pirate-party.us>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>       I'm going to side with RMS on this.
>>>>>
>>>>>       Richard Stallman wrote:
>>>>>> If TPB promotes the Pirate Party, it would tend to
>>>>   support the
>>>>>       statements
>>>>>> that some people make that "You're just a bunch of
>>>>   criminals."
>>>>>> This might be a reason not to do it.
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>>>>>       Glenn "Channel6" Kerbein
>>>>>       United States Pirate Party
>>>>>       "Burn, Hollywood, Burn"
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