[pp.int.general] The Pirate Bay and the Pirate Party

[Félix Robles]

Either way you don't know how the bittorrent protocol works or you already
understand what I said.

So I agree with coretx: Telling us /why/ it does not make sense, would be a
much more valuable contribution to a constructive debate.


On Sun, Oct 25, 2009 at 8:56 PM, Glenn Kerbein <
glenn.kerbein at pirate-party.us> wrote:

> That doesn't make a bit of sense.
>
> Félix Robles wrote:
> > But why should Google or any other webpage have to remove links to
> > torrent files? That's like removing from a webpage the GPS coordinates
> > of a knife.
> >
> > On Sun, Oct 25, 2009 at 8:23 PM, Glenn Kerbein
> > <glenn.kerbein at pirate-party.us <mailto:glenn.kerbein at pirate-party.us>>
> > wrote:
> >
> >     Agreed.
> >     Furthermore, your argument about indexers is poor at best. Google has
> >     agents to handle takedown requests for YouTube, images, and the sites
> it
> >     indexes. See Viacom v. Youtube. The Pirate Bay /prides itself/ on not
> >     employing any takedown agents (thus not having the safe harbor
> clause).
> >     I suggest that you peruse Professor James Boyle's The Public Domain
> >     (particularly the chapter entitled "The Internet Threat"): he waxes
> >     eloquently about the subject of Napster and Grokster.
> >
> >     Charly wrote:
> >     > I think it becomes a problem when people are confused about the
> >     > distinction between the two organisations. I've heard people
> >     calling us
> >     > the "Pirate Bay Party" (cringe).
> >     > Boundaries between TPB and PP need to be made clear.
> >     > Charly
> >     >
> >     >
> >     > On Sun, Oct 25, 2009 at 6:57 PM, Nicolas Sahlqvist
> >     <nicco77 at gmail.com <mailto:nicco77 at gmail.com>
> >     > <mailto:nicco77 at gmail.com <mailto:nicco77 at gmail.com>>> wrote:
> >     >
> >     >     TPB is a index engine like Google and both indexes torrents
> where
> >     >     Google actually hold infringed content via YouTube and Google
> >     Books
> >     >     while PP's does neither.
> >     >
> >     >     I know politics is so sensitive and therefore the crappy
> argument,
> >     >     but would we exist without Napster, TPB etc? It kinda feels
> >     silly to
> >     >     deny once relatives..
> >     >
> >     >
> >     >     - Nicolas
> >     >
> >     >
> >     >     On Sun, Oct 25, 2009 at 7:35 PM, Glenn Kerbein
> >     >     <glenn.kerbein at pirate-party.us
> >     <mailto:glenn.kerbein at pirate-party.us>
> >     >     <mailto:glenn.kerbein at pirate-party.us
> >     <mailto:glenn.kerbein at pirate-party.us>>> wrote:
> >     >
> >     >         I'm going to side with RMS on this.
> >     >
> >     >         Richard Stallman wrote:
> >     >         > If TPB promotes the Pirate Party, it would tend to
> >     support the
> >     >         statements
> >     >         > that some people make that "You're just a bunch of
> >     criminals."
> >     >         > This might be a reason not to do it.
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> >     >         >
> >     >
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> >     >
> >     >         --
> >     >         Glenn "Channel6" Kerbein
> >     >         United States Pirate Party
> >     >         "Burn, Hollywood, Burn"
> >     >         http://www.pirate-party.us/
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> >     --
> >     Glenn "Channel6" Kerbein
> >     United States Pirate Party
> >     "Burn, Hollywood, Burn"
> >     http://www.pirate-party.us/
> >     ____________________________________________________
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> --
> Glenn "Channel6" Kerbein
> United States Pirate Party
> "Burn, Hollywood, Burn"
> http://www.pirate-party.us/
> ____________________________________________________
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