[pp.int.general] Pirates Democracy - Liquid Democracy

[Alex Morlang]

Am 03.04.2010 um 10:32 schrieb Reinier Bakels:

>> I don't really understand why you bring that into the discussion at  
>> the
>> moment? Liquid feedback is still years away from being used on a  
>> national
>> level. At the moment we start using it to promote democracy 'within'
>> PP-DE.
> Aha (Erlebnis), perhaps I was mistaken.
> <snip>
>>
>> > PP should not be a "think tank" for the next millennium, but a  
>> political > party
>> > that tries to change the world before the elextion - if just a  
>> little > bit.
>>
>> I think PP should be that "think tank". I don't want to just sit  
>> around and
>> mourn about what other party's do. It's easy to criticise but hard  
>> to bring
>> good solutions. Liquid feed back might well be one of those good  
>> solutions.
>>
> It is hard enough to make proposals that both appeal large numbers  
> of voters and can stand the scrutiny of (educated) critics. If  
> opponents make *credible* arguments, that appeal potential voters,  
> PP proposals are worthless.
>
> Perhaps the emphasis in Germany is more on privacy, while in The  
> Netherlands privacy never was a political issue, and the PP emphasis  
> (consequently) will be more on copyright. Which is a more difficult  
> topic (although e.g. elderly people are *very* happy with pervasive  
> camera surveillance because it gives them a feeling of safety -  
> right or wrong).
>
> In NL, the Greens adopted some PP ideas in their program, which was  
> recently published in view of the June parliament elections. They  
> proposed a 10 year copyright. Almost immediately, a group of writers  
> (authors) reacted with a newspaper article, saying (basically) that  
> they deserve a decent income, which won't be possible if such  
> proposals become law. A law professor reacted by saying that theft =  
> theft, and pointed to international obligations that are *very* hard  
> to change.
>
> Some pirates argue that it is not their job to devise alternate  
> schemes for author compensation. In my opinion, I think that the  
> political argument can be strengthened if PP does have an idea how  
> to counter such objections ("writers will starve"). Besides, I  
> believe that it is basically the constitutional duty of an elected  
> politician to consider the interest of society, not just of a single  
> group (but I am not sure whether that fiction applies to other  
> countries as well).
>
> In sum, I believe that there are tough policy questions for pirates  
> that need an answer short term. Plans for the 22nd century can wait.  
> A rough vision is enough.
>

could you please point out how this relates to Liquid Feedback?

> reinier
>

Alex