[pp.int.general] GOODBYE!

[aloa5]

Hello Reinier.

Keep cool. I don´t know what happened there. But be sure that Pirates 
will be more careful what they say or do after the first time somethink 
like this you mentioned happened.

In Germany we have both. We have an open forum, somehow open 
mailing-lists and the meetings (telefon conferences) of the board 
members are not really closed. But there are also places(tm) wich are 
only open for some (e.g. about finances).

Open discussions are a nice to have. The question is the way in wich it 
ist "open". Open to journalists is only one side. To be open in speech 
is the other side. The more journalists are present in meetings the more 
some (interesting) details and talk-rounds will be hold aside the bigger 
meetings in a café or somewhere else. Perhaps we can have both ways 
(both "open"). Perhaps we must have them.

You have an attorney of copyright owners at you mailing-list. This is 
one hand (in Germany too). The other hand exists in NL as in GER. And 
that is the way it has to (and will) go in future.

Journalists as such are friends and(!) enemies. We cannot live without 
them - but that means not that we should tell them all we know....


Best regards
Otmar aloas aloa5




Reinier Bakels schrieb:
> I have noted today that the PPI has very naive ideas about 
> "transparency", allowing journalists to participate in any PP meeting 
> they like. Reality is that journalists make a business by serving their 
> audience, not the people they report about. The audience is often not 
> interested in a precise, "scientific" account, but in controversies, 
> scandals etc.
>  
> It is something for intellectuals to foster "open debates". Politics 
> basically are business, which means that you only trust someone if it is 
> in your own interest. Other perceptions are naive.
>  
> On the Dutch PP mailing list is an attorney that supports copyright 
> owners. This is really tough business. He already put me under moral 
> pressure (in vain, because I am really independent), and I am sure he 
> will exploit all and any weaknesses of Pirates in his efforts to serve 
> his clients.
>  
> Are all Pirates really naive? Or are there perhaps (other) trolls among 
> us? It all depends on trust. I don't trust someone who has *obviously* 
> conflicting interests.
>  
> When I worked in private business, it was always strictly forbidden to 
> me to talk to journalists. Well, you may be forced to talk to the to say 
> "no", but then I was required to report to management immediately. Was 
> this a violation of the principles of a free press? No, it is the 
> consequence of a *realistic* perception of the basic conflict of 
> interest between journalists and the people they report about. Whether 
> you are in business or in politics, you want to achieve results. So you 
> fight anyone obstructing your work.
>  
> It is totally naive to invite your ennemy and sit with your in an 
> informal setting to have a beer. You may /pretend /an informal setting, 
> but then it is still to/ work /on your objectives.     
>  
> GOOD LUCK! GOOD BYE! 
>  
> All wars are dirty in a sense. I won't be part of this       
>  
> Groeten, Grüße, Regards, Cordialement, Hälsningar, Ciao, Saygilar, 
> Üdvözlettel, Pozdrowienia, Kumusta, Adiós, Oan't sjen, Ave, Doei, 
> Yassou, Yoroshiku, Slán, Vinarliga, Kær Kveðja
>  >>> REINIER B. BAKELS PhD LL.M. MSc
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