[pp.int.general] The conference - what went wrong; how can we do better?

Thu Apr 22 16:36:42 CEST 2010

Ok, we can't change that US and UK are considered countries and play by the
same rules as all the other parties in there countries. Giving every state a
voice could potentially cause them to not work together and thereby damage
there chances in a national election why I do not support this approach. I
rather think a country body is practical to confirm with national elections
etc. and bureaucracy can be minimized, feel free to discuss it with PPUK as
they are in this situation.

The vote was in favor of no member fees so not sure why you discuss it. I
however hope that some members will be able to contribute or PPI will not be
able to function and that would be truly sad.

- Nicolas
  PPI

2010/4/21 Błażej Kaczorowski <blazej.kaczorowski at gmail.com>

> I will try constructively disagree :)
>
> 1. Europe has majority in members and 100% in PPI board for now
> 2. European Parties will have majority for long time (especially here
> we have a lot of small countries and USA with their states has only 1
> vote)
> 3. Balance of power in PPI General Assembly will always be problematic
> - if we decide voting power:
> - one vote for 1 country - USA will be in trouble, (what with UK?),
> youth pirates also, pirate communities, foundations and so so on - ok
> you can build country body and that join - bureaucracy is enemy of
> democracy.
> - per member - begging parties will be sad
> - per citizen - small countries will be sad
> - per income/donation size - pour countries will be sad
> - per % of election result - unsuccessful countries will be sad
> - and so on
> 4. Of course no one will say that his party is sad ... but (for me) it
> doesn't matter because they will be.
>
> My prepositions are nearly unchanged - check Saturday
> pp.genera.maillist for my mail with other countries signatures) - I
> have other ideas and I am ready for discussion.
>
> Blazej
> PP Poland
>
> 2010/4/21 Nicolas Sahlqvist <nicco77 at gmail.com>:
> > I tend to think that the form of PPI will not make it more or less
> > international, it is rather the way we push for PPI to become more
> > international and that is a challenge considering most PP's are located
> > within Europe. Any ideas how we make PP's more popular in Latin America,
> > Asia, Africa and Caribbean?
> >
> >
> > - Nicolas
> >   PPI
> >
> > 2010/4/21 Błażej Kaczorowski <blazej.kaczorowski at gmail.com>
> >>
> >> If we want PPI really international now European we need to change it
> >> to federation - now it is organization.
> >>
> >> Blazej
> >> PP Poland
> >>
> >> On 21 April 2010 17:54, Justus Ršoemeth <squig at dfpx.de> wrote:
> >> > I didn't say it was perfect in Brussels. I just tried to point out
> that
> >> > by
> >> > pushing it towards the Americas you are pulling it away from Oceania.
> >> > May be
> >> > easier to keep it at local working times and just expect the other
> >> > people to
> >> > get up earlier or stay up longer. Trying to make it best for the
> >> > Americas
> >> > and Europe is counterproductive in my opinion.
> >> >
> >> > On 21.04.10 17:31, Andrew Norton wrote:
> >> >>
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> >> >> On 4/21/2010 11:08 AM, Justus R?oemeth wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>>
> >> >>> But those times are really unfortunate for remote participation of
> >> >>> places like NZ and AUS.
> >> >>> I don't think we'll be able to find a solution here that works for
> >> >>> everyone perfectly.
> >> >>>
> >> >>
> >> >> The current times were pretty exclusionary as well. at GMT+10, you
> were
> >> >> looking at starting around 6pm(9am) and ending at what, 3am (7pm)?
> not
> >> >> THAT bad, but not that great either.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>>
> >> >>> On 21.04.10 14:57, Andrew Norton wrote:
> >> >>> On 4/21/2010 3:49 AM, Wolfgang Preiss wrote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>> As it comes to the other points you mentioned, there is hardly I
> >> >>>>>> can
> >> >>>>>> say, I only can express an opinion there. As for time planning,
> the
> >> >>>>>> conference is being planned as it fits best local time. Although
> >> >>>>>> this
> >> >>>>>> means for the remote deligates to sit at 3am or earlier at the
> >> >>>>>> computer,
> >> >>>>>> it is much easier to handle for them to do so, than for the
> larger
> >> >>>>>> number of deligates at the conference to adapt to the time wishes
> >> >>>>>> of
> >> >>>>>> the
> >> >>>>>> remote deligates. After all these can benefit participating from
> >> >>>>>> their
> >> >>>>>> homes. After the majority of PPI members is located in europe
> that
> >> >>>>>> is
> >> >>>>>> a
> >> >>>>>> burden for the deligates in other time zones to carry. Sorry :-)
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>> I'm not talking about a major shift, like starting at 4pm and going
> >> >>> until 2am local, I'm talking about maybe starting at 12 noon,
> >> >>> finishing
> >> >>> at 7/8. 3 hours can make a fair bit of difference. Then the social
> >> >>> stuff
> >> >>> can be done in the AM (and still at night). now a meeting held in
> the
> >> >>> Americas would benefit from an early start, say 8-9am, so that its
> not
> >> >>> too late for European remotes.
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>> Regards
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>> Wolfgang
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>
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> >> >>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>>
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