[pp.int.general] Media stupidity Re: Pirate support for Wikileaks

[Jay Emerson]

Thanks, comparison to Murdoch's empire will make it easier for them to
swallow and understand.

Jay Emerson
Administrative Officer
Pirate Party of New York
On Dec 4, 2010 1:17 PM, "Amelia Andersdotter" <teirdes at gmail.com> wrote:
> On 4 December 2010 19:02, Jay Emerson <jemers2 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Good speech, I'll do research on the media conglomerates that may be
>> influencing such spin at these publications and shine a light on them
>> through the superpowers of blog syndication.
>>
>> If you know who owns that publication let me know please :-)
>>
>>
> I can already help you with that. http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expressen
>
> Expressen is owned by the Bonnier conglomerat which owns about 80% of all
> Swedish media, including Dagens Nyheter and Sydsvenskan, the two largest
> publications after Svenska dagbladet and Aftonbladet one of which is owned
> by Schibstedt (Norwegian conglomerate which holds large stakes in
Norwegian
> media I believe) and LO (the union of most public worker labour unions).
>
> All Bonnier publications are going down. Expressen and Dagens nyheter have
> been going tabloid since several years ago, and Bonnier is more and more
> appearing to imitate the Murdoch empire. I'm not really sure what to do
> about that though - I know that the non-Bonnier publications are mostly
held
> afloat by the Swedish media support system (which, to be fair, also helps
> Bonnier) which has recently been condemned by the European Court of
Justice
> for distorting the market. Mark my words - when it goes, so do all
> non-Bonnier publications.
>
> /a
>
>
>> Jay Emerson
>> Administrative Officer
>> Pirate Party of New York
>> On Dec 4, 2010 12:29 PM, "Amelia Andersdotter" <teirdes at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > If something can be said about the current situation of Wikileaks
founder
>> > Julian Assange it is that a Swedish newspaper, Expressen, has
consistenly
>> > and deliberately published names and pictures of people who are not yet
>> > convicted, and to whom a primary investigation have not even been
>> started.
>> >
>> > This is the third time Expressen has engaged in this conduct since
2006.
>> The
>> > difference this time is that very few paper, primarily international
>> media,
>> > has managed to criticize this behaviour which essentially leads to
>> primary
>> > conviction by the populace and lynchmobs rather than a fair trial by a,
>> > presumably, non-partisan court.
>> >
>> > I think that especially in criminal cases this conduct is despicable
and
>> an
>> > unethical exploitation of media and press freedom to bypass the legal
>> > system. I criticize Expressen generally though. They are a bad
>> publication
>> > and anyone who supports them should be slightly ashamed.
>> >
>> > /a
>> >
>> > On 4 December 2010 18:20, Amelia Andersdotter <teirdes at gmail.com>
wrote:
>> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On 4 December 2010 12:17, Mikulas.Ferjencik <
>> Mikulas.Ferjencik at seznam.cz>wrote:
>> >>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> I would like to note, that PPI is not supposed to issue Press
releases,
>> so
>> >>> it is more appropriate to prepare a press release, which can separate
>> PPs
>> >>> endorse. It would also be good to include what do respective PPs do
to
>> >>> support wikileaks.
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >> The Swedish Pirate Party and myself do not support Wikileaks as such,
>> but
>> >> leaking and leaking services in general (including OpenLeaks, cryptome
>> and
>> >> the newly formed Serbian project for leaks). We would like to see an
>> >> inclusive statement that considers the benefit over whistleblowers in
>> >> general, and not a specific service for this purpose.
>> >>
>> >> Wikileaks can certainly be exemplified, but it is important that they
do
>> >> not get to represent the entire leaking community, and especially that
>> they
>> >> do not overshadow the brave men and women who make sure the leaks get
>> out
>> >> there in the first place.
>> >>
>> >> Amelia Andersdotter
>> >>
>> >>
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