[pp.int.general] Media stupidity Re: Pirate support for Wikileaks

[Amelia Andersdotter]

If there is any possibility of not sinking to Murdoch/Bonniers levels, that
is good.

Never argue with idiots - they will only bring you down to their level.

On 4 December 2010 19:22, Jay Emerson <jemers2 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Thanks, comparison to Murdoch's empire will make it easier for them to
> swallow and understand.
>
> Jay Emerson
> Administrative Officer
> Pirate Party of New York
> On Dec 4, 2010 1:17 PM, "Amelia Andersdotter" <teirdes at gmail.com> wrote:
> > On 4 December 2010 19:02, Jay Emerson <jemers2 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Good speech, I'll do research on the media conglomerates that may be
> >> influencing such spin at these publications and shine a light on them
> >> through the superpowers of blog syndication.
> >>
> >> If you know who owns that publication let me know please :-)
> >>
> >>
> > I can already help you with that. http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expressen
> >
> > Expressen is owned by the Bonnier conglomerat which owns about 80% of all
> > Swedish media, including Dagens Nyheter and Sydsvenskan, the two largest
> > publications after Svenska dagbladet and Aftonbladet one of which is
> owned
> > by Schibstedt (Norwegian conglomerate which holds large stakes in
> Norwegian
> > media I believe) and LO (the union of most public worker labour unions).
> >
> > All Bonnier publications are going down. Expressen and Dagens nyheter
> have
> > been going tabloid since several years ago, and Bonnier is more and more
> > appearing to imitate the Murdoch empire. I'm not really sure what to do
> > about that though - I know that the non-Bonnier publications are mostly
> held
> > afloat by the Swedish media support system (which, to be fair, also helps
> > Bonnier) which has recently been condemned by the European Court of
> Justice
> > for distorting the market. Mark my words - when it goes, so do all
> > non-Bonnier publications.
> >
> > /a
> >
> >
> >> Jay Emerson
> >> Administrative Officer
> >> Pirate Party of New York
> >> On Dec 4, 2010 12:29 PM, "Amelia Andersdotter" <teirdes at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >> > If something can be said about the current situation of Wikileaks
> founder
> >> > Julian Assange it is that a Swedish newspaper, Expressen, has
> consistenly
> >> > and deliberately published names and pictures of people who are not
> yet
> >> > convicted, and to whom a primary investigation have not even been
> >> started.
> >> >
> >> > This is the third time Expressen has engaged in this conduct since
> 2006.
> >> The
> >> > difference this time is that very few paper, primarily international
> >> media,
> >> > has managed to criticize this behaviour which essentially leads to
> >> primary
> >> > conviction by the populace and lynchmobs rather than a fair trial by
> a,
> >> > presumably, non-partisan court.
> >> >
> >> > I think that especially in criminal cases this conduct is despicable
> and
> >> an
> >> > unethical exploitation of media and press freedom to bypass the legal
> >> > system. I criticize Expressen generally though. They are a bad
> >> publication
> >> > and anyone who supports them should be slightly ashamed.
> >> >
> >> > /a
> >> >
> >> > On 4 December 2010 18:20, Amelia Andersdotter <teirdes at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> On 4 December 2010 12:17, Mikulas.Ferjencik <
> >> Mikulas.Ferjencik at seznam.cz>wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>> I would like to note, that PPI is not supposed to issue Press
> releases,
> >> so
> >> >>> it is more appropriate to prepare a press release, which can
> separate
> >> PPs
> >> >>> endorse. It would also be good to include what do respective PPs do
> to
> >> >>> support wikileaks.
> >> >>>
> >> >>
> >> >> The Swedish Pirate Party and myself do not support Wikileaks as such,
> >> but
> >> >> leaking and leaking services in general (including OpenLeaks,
> cryptome
> >> and
> >> >> the newly formed Serbian project for leaks). We would like to see an
> >> >> inclusive statement that considers the benefit over whistleblowers in
> >> >> general, and not a specific service for this purpose.
> >> >>
> >> >> Wikileaks can certainly be exemplified, but it is important that they
> do
> >> >> not get to represent the entire leaking community, and especially
> that
> >> they
> >> >> do not overshadow the brave men and women who make sure the leaks get
> >> out
> >> >> there in the first place.
> >> >>
> >> >> Amelia Andersdotter
> >> >>
> >> >>
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