[pp.int.general] Pirate support for Wikileaks

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Is Assange supposed to live a life based on hard altruism? I think a
reasonable and quick scientific analysis about human behavior will say
that every human being runs on mutualistic shared goals (rational
egoism) with a variable amount of altruism.

I would find it surprising and pathological IF Assange was allegedly
doing this under a radical notion of metaphysical hard altruism.


On Sun, Dec 5, 2010 at 8:22 PM, Aftermath <aftermath.thegreat at gmail.com> wrote:
> Wikileaks does what it does for Profit.
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> I say this because julian assange is the only one who has access to
> the paypal donation account.
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> No one knows how much is donated except for him.
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> Wikileaks likes transparency for everyone except themselves.
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> Cryptome is way cooler.
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> On Sat, Dec 4, 2010 at 7:08 PM, Nicolas Sahlqvist <nicco77 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Forgot the link to Wikipedia:
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juma_Khan_Hamdard
>>
>> - Nicolas
>>
>> On Sun, Dec 5, 2010 at 3:49 AM, Nicolas Sahlqvist <nicco77 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Mixing the organisation Wikileaks with the assault charge of Assange is
>>> not the best of ideas and treating it differently could indicate that we
>>> don't really believe in the principle of innocent until proven guilty..
>>> I tend to think it is important to make a statement in support for the
>>> work Wikileaks does at the moment considering how it is threatened. We could
>>> mention other organisations that works on similar goals as you mention, but
>>> that part of the message would probably not be noticed when all media talks
>>> about is Wikileaks.
>>> There are also other ways to support leaks, by actively spreading leaks on
>>> the net. I seem to have this new hobby of reading SECRET cables from
>>> Wikileaks and the corrupt governor (Juma Khan Hamdard) of the Paktia
>>> province in Afghanistan caught my attention so I updated his Wikipedia page
>>> with the following sentences:
>>> "In May 2007 he was forced to resign as governor of Jowzjan when thousands
>>> demonstrated against him. Forces under his command shot at demonstrators in
>>> the Uzbek town of Shibirghan, killing thirteen and injuring more than
>>> thirty."
>>> "He is currently under investigations for soliciting bribes from
>>> contractors by having them arrested at job sites and held until the bribes
>>> were paid"
>>> And referenced to the Guardian quoting the cable from Wikileaks:
>>> http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/us-embassy-cables-documents/241681
>>> I have to say that it was a very satisfactory to save those changes! ;)
>>>
>>> - Nicolas
>>>
>>> On Sat, Dec 4, 2010 at 7:20 PM, Amelia Andersdotter <teirdes at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
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>>>> On 4 December 2010 19:03, Erik Lönroth <erik.lonroth at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> ... and would you support something that adds a few words about the
>>>>> "whistle-blowers" ?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> If anything should be supported it's whistle-blowers. And it is my
>>>> position as a Swedish Pirate Party member and an incumbent Member of the
>>>> European Parliament not to support a text that blindly supports the, eh.
>>>> Defendant or plaintiff? Defendant I guess, in a case that has not even gone
>>>> to court. Technically, there can't even be defendant or plaintiffs in this
>>>> case because they are only conducting a preliminary investigation.
>>>>
>>>> Gosh, people are really sheep when they fall for media manipulation,
>>>> aren't they?
>>>>
>>>> /a
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I removed that from my original text. I would not mind adding it.
>>>>>
>>>>> /Erik
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, Dec 4, 2010 at 7:01 PM, Erik Lönroth <erik.lonroth at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> > Amelia, is it your position as a representative of the Pirate Party in
>>>>> > Sweden and (soon) Member of the European Parliament not to support
>>>>> > this text?
>>>>> >
>>>>> > http://openpad.me/m9av1kOVgs
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> > /Erik
>>>>> >
>>>>> > On Sat, Dec 4, 2010 at 6:20 PM, Amelia Andersdotter
>>>>> > <teirdes at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> On 4 December 2010 12:17, Mikulas.Ferjencik
>>>>> >> <Mikulas.Ferjencik at seznam.cz>
>>>>> >> wrote:
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> I would like to note, that PPI is not supposed to issue Press
>>>>> >>> releases, so
>>>>> >>> it is more appropriate to prepare a press release, which can
>>>>> >>> separate PPs
>>>>> >>> endorse. It would also be good to include what do respective PPs do
>>>>> >>> to
>>>>> >>> support wikileaks.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> The Swedish Pirate Party and myself do not support Wikileaks as such,
>>>>> >> but
>>>>> >> leaking and leaking services in general (including OpenLeaks,
>>>>> >> cryptome and
>>>>> >> the newly formed Serbian project for leaks). We would like to see an
>>>>> >> inclusive statement that considers the benefit over whistleblowers in
>>>>> >> general, and not a specific service for this purpose.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Wikileaks can certainly be exemplified, but it is important that they
>>>>> >> do not
>>>>> >> get to represent the entire leaking community, and especially that
>>>>> >> they do
>>>>> >> not overshadow the brave men and women who make sure the leaks get
>>>>> >> out there
>>>>> >> in the first place.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Amelia Andersdotter
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>>
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