[pp.int.general] Pirate support for Wikileaks

Sun Dec 5 23:42:26 CET 2010

They are also planning to close down his Swiss bank account:
http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/breaking-news/assanges-swiss-bank-account-under-scrutiny/story-e6frea73-1225966167842

<http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/breaking-news/assanges-swiss-bank-account-under-scrutiny/story-e6frea73-1225966167842>For
profit, like TPB is driven for profit according to the Swedish judge,
right..

- Nicolas

On Sun, Dec 5, 2010 at 11:26 PM, Antonio Quartulli <ordex at ritirata.org>wrote:

> The donation via PayPal is totally blocked due to the fact that PayPal
> has suspended their account for policy violation:
>
> http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/paypal_announces_it_will_no_longer_handle_wikileak.php
>
> On Sun, Dec 05, 2010 at 02:22:52PM -0800, Aftermath wrote:
> > Wikileaks does what it does for Profit.
> >
> > I say this because julian assange is the only one who has access to
> > the paypal donation account.
> >
> > No one knows how much is donated except for him.
> >
> >
> > Wikileaks likes transparency for everyone except themselves.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Cryptome is way cooler.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sat, Dec 4, 2010 at 7:08 PM, Nicolas Sahlqvist <nicco77 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > > Forgot the link to Wikipedia:
> > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juma_Khan_Hamdard
> > >
> > > - Nicolas
> > >
> > > On Sun, Dec 5, 2010 at 3:49 AM, Nicolas Sahlqvist <nicco77 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Mixing the organisation Wikileaks with the assault charge of Assange
> is
> > >> not the best of ideas and treating it differently could indicate that
> we
> > >> don't really believe in the principle of innocent until proven
> guilty..
> > >> I tend to think it is important to make a statement in support for the
> > >> work Wikileaks does at the moment considering how it is threatened. We
> could
> > >> mention other organisations that works on similar goals as you
> mention, but
> > >> that part of the message would probably not be noticed when all media
> talks
> > >> about is Wikileaks.
> > >> There are also other ways to support leaks, by actively spreading
> leaks on
> > >> the net. I seem to have this new hobby of reading SECRET cables from
> > >> Wikileaks and the corrupt governor (Juma Khan Hamdard) of the Paktia
> > >> province in Afghanistan caught my attention so I updated his Wikipedia
> page
> > >> with the following sentences:
> > >> "In May 2007 he was forced to resign as governor of Jowzjan when
> thousands
> > >> demonstrated against him. Forces under his command shot at
> demonstrators in
> > >> the Uzbek town of Shibirghan, killing thirteen and injuring more than
> > >> thirty."
> > >> "He is currently under investigations for soliciting bribes from
> > >> contractors by having them arrested at job sites and held until the
> bribes
> > >> were paid"
> > >> And referenced to the Guardian quoting the cable from Wikileaks:
> > >> http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/us-embassy-cables-documents/241681
> > >> I have to say that it was a very satisfactory to save those changes!
> ;)
> > >>
> > >> - Nicolas
> > >>
> > >> On Sat, Dec 4, 2010 at 7:20 PM, Amelia Andersdotter <
> teirdes at gmail.com>
> > >> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> On 4 December 2010 19:03, Erik Lönroth <erik.lonroth at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>> ... and would you support something that adds a few words about the
> > >>>> "whistle-blowers" ?
> > >>>>
> > >>>
> > >>> If anything should be supported it's whistle-blowers. And it is my
> > >>> position as a Swedish Pirate Party member and an incumbent Member of
> the
> > >>> European Parliament not to support a text that blindly supports the,
> eh.
> > >>> Defendant or plaintiff? Defendant I guess, in a case that has not
> even gone
> > >>> to court. Technically, there can't even be defendant or plaintiffs in
> this
> > >>> case because they are only conducting a preliminary investigation.
> > >>>
> > >>> Gosh, people are really sheep when they fall for media manipulation,
> > >>> aren't they?
> > >>>
> > >>> /a
> > >>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> I removed that from my original text. I would not mind adding it.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> /Erik
> > >>>>
> > >>>> On Sat, Dec 4, 2010 at 7:01 PM, Erik Lönroth <
> erik.lonroth at gmail.com>
> > >>>> wrote:
> > >>>> > Amelia, is it your position as a representative of the Pirate
> Party in
> > >>>> > Sweden and (soon) Member of the European Parliament not to support
> > >>>> > this text?
> > >>>> >
> > >>>> > http://openpad.me/m9av1kOVgs
> > >>>> >
> > >>>> >
> > >>>> > /Erik
> > >>>> >
> > >>>> > On Sat, Dec 4, 2010 at 6:20 PM, Amelia Andersdotter
> > >>>> > <teirdes at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>>> >>
> > >>>> >>
> > >>>> >> On 4 December 2010 12:17, Mikulas.Ferjencik
> > >>>> >> <Mikulas.Ferjencik at seznam.cz>
> > >>>> >> wrote:
> > >>>> >>>
> > >>>> >>>
> > >>>> >>> I would like to note, that PPI is not supposed to issue Press
> > >>>> >>> releases, so
> > >>>> >>> it is more appropriate to prepare a press release, which can
> > >>>> >>> separate PPs
> > >>>> >>> endorse. It would also be good to include what do respective PPs
> do
> > >>>> >>> to
> > >>>> >>> support wikileaks.
> > >>>> >>
> > >>>> >> The Swedish Pirate Party and myself do not support Wikileaks as
> such,
> > >>>> >> but
> > >>>> >> leaking and leaking services in general (including OpenLeaks,
> > >>>> >> cryptome and
> > >>>> >> the newly formed Serbian project for leaks). We would like to see
> an
> > >>>> >> inclusive statement that considers the benefit over
> whistleblowers in
> > >>>> >> general, and not a specific service for this purpose.
> > >>>> >>
> > >>>> >> Wikileaks can certainly be exemplified, but it is important that
> they
> > >>>> >> do not
> > >>>> >> get to represent the entire leaking community, and especially
> that
> > >>>> >> they do
> > >>>> >> not overshadow the brave men and women who make sure the leaks
> get
> > >>>> >> out there
> > >>>> >> in the first place.
> > >>>> >>
> > >>>> >> Amelia Andersdotter
> > >>>> >>
> > >>>> >>>
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> Antonio Quartulli
>
> ..each of us alone is worth nothing..
> Ernesto "Che" Guevara
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