[pp.int.general] SHOCKING NEWS: Accused WikiLeaks ally is being tortured!

Fri Dec 17 06:58:14 CET 2010

We need to find out the actual details of his detention.  Places, length,
conditions, etc.  How to go about that?  I'm all ears.

On Fri, Dec 17, 2010 at 12:21 AM, Andrew Norton <ktetch at gmail.com> wrote:

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> On 12/16/2010 11:52 PM, Jay Emerson wrote:
> >     Again, I'm sure I'll be corrected by someone once they get back from
> >     protesting outside a Marine base. Although it's also unusual that
> he's
> >     being held at a Marine brig, rather than an Army RCF. Also, if I've
> done
> >     my research right, Quantico is a short term (3 month max typically)
> >     facility, rather than a long term one. You do have to wonder, though,
> >     why he has effectively gone 'forgotten' for so long. Sooner they
> process
> >     him, the sooner he can (in their eyes) go from the relatively weak
> brig,
> >     to the Castle.
> >
> >
> >
> > Quantico? A 3 month facility?:
> >
> >
> http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2010/12/supporters-bradley-manning-detention-torture/
> >
> > Somebody needs to tell them because the only reports I hear of him STILL
> > being held there to this day, and it's been more than 3 months.
>
> Kind of my point actually.
>
> as far as I know it's not designed for long term prisoner housing, which
> is why it's so unusual.
> If you want phone numbers, they're here
> http://www.quantico.usmc.mil/activities/display.aspx?PID=588&Section=SecBn
> so you can ask yourself.
>
> Generally, quantico is used for pre-trial confinement, and under the
> UCMJ, manning has the right to a speedy trial. some sources say it's a
> short-term-only facility, others don't, but he would be at Castle or a
> regional army detention center if convicted, not quantico (that's why
> they have them). I'm wondering why he's not made a fuss over his RCM707,
> or if he has, what the outcome as been.
>
> >
> > Just sayin...
> >
> > On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 9:27 PM, Andrew Norton <ktetch at gmail.com
> > <mailto:ktetch at gmail.com>> wrote:
> >
> > On 12/16/2010 7:29 PM, Yves Quemener wrote:
> >> On 12/17/2010 01:14 AM, Nicolas Sahlqvist wrote:
> >>> It is hard to foresee future events, but to stand by when you
> > know someone
> >>> is suffering is not a option in my mind.
> >
> >> Sorry, I prefer the one who didn't move to get him in a less
> > medieval jail
> >> than the one who acted to make him go quickly in front of a firing
> > squad
> >> (or whatever method of execution is favored these days)
> >
> > Execution is extremely unlikely. I only had a quick 10 min look, (and
> > I'm Sure a certain someone will tell me I'm wrong, because I'm not a
> > lawyer, as he has for the past month, but i digress) but after a quick
> > look at the UCMJ, death penalty cases I think have to be brought to
> > court within 120 days. Also, pleading guilty removes the ability to get
> > the death penalty. I found this quick little refrence thing (albeit a
> > year old) that might help as well.
> > http://www.court-martial.com/military_death_penalty.htm
> >
> > I'd suggest those wanting to get busy on it, start looking into Section
> > 10 of the UCMJ.
> > http://www.au.af.mil/au/awc/awcgate/ucmj.htm#810. ART. 10. RESTRAINT OF
> > PERSONS CHARGED WITH OFFENSES   <-- thats ALL a link
> >
> > and RCM 707 (rules for a court martial)
> > http://www.armfor.uscourts.gov/digest/VB2.htm
> >
> > and maybe make enquries to the Army Judge Advocate General's (JAG)
> > office, on that topic. https://www.jagcnet.army.mil/
> >
> > Again, I'm sure I'll be corrected by someone once they get back from
> > protesting outside a Marine base. Although it's also unusual that he's
> > being held at a Marine brig, rather than an Army RCF. Also, if I've done
> > my research right, Quantico is a short term (3 month max typically)
> > facility, rather than a long term one. You do have to wonder, though,
> > why he has effectively gone 'forgotten' for so long. Sooner they process
> > him, the sooner he can (in their eyes) go from the relatively weak brig,
> > to the Castle.
> >
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