[pp.int.general] pp.international.general Digest, Vol 44, Issue 18

[Kenneth Peiruza]

Ok, maybe my words were incorrect.

I have plenty of critical thinking, but I try to keep good manners :P

We need good manners in this list, as we don't know each other in
person, which helps a lot to soften issues. And well, some people have
demonstrated to lack that gift...


Regards,

Kenneth

Al 13/10/10 15:29, En/na Rodrigo Pereira ha escrit:
> People with critical sense are more important than people with
> "positive thinking". People with "positive thinking" always speak one
> thing and do other. Then people with "positive thinking" are not
> trusted. People with critical sense is more flexible to accept new
> ideas because they like the debate. And people "positive" consider the
> debate unsuitable many times. "Critical" try to do something
> different, "positive" is afraid to do something diferent because
> "positive" doesn't  want criticism. "Critical" want change and
> "positive" want conservation. If you disagree this thesis, you aren't
> "positive" =).
>
> 2010/10/13 Core TX <coretx at gmail.com>:
>   
>> I will base my opinion partially on Andrew Norton, who has always been doing
>> exellent work for not only
>> the US pirate parties, but also for pirate parties around the world.
>> The only criticism i could give him, is stating that in politics you don't
>> have to provide 3 pieces of proof for making your political statement, since
>> we are in politics, not in academia.
>>
>> Andrew is one of the /few/ people who have made PPI gain some credibitliy on
>> a international level.
>> Not only has he been deeply involved into setting up national parties around
>> the globe, but he has also interconnected a lot of pirates around the globe.
>> They still communicate, and share ideas among each other.
>> Mostly outside of this mailinglist because of it's rants such as yours.
>> If you want to converse dirty national party politics against Andrew, please
>> do so on a national level.
>>
>> Your vision when it  comes to PPI is also flawed due to the fact that you do
>> not know it's history, nor are able to look behind the scenes.
>> When it comes to PPI versus PPUS relationships, there is so much more to
>> tell.
>> It is PPI, who has made the united states pirates loose at least a full year
>> of productivity and organizational development. This due to a small group of
>> PPI active people who are heavily influencing the current PPI board.
>> And have been involved into dirty internal politics for atleast a year.
>>
>> So yes, we need to stand together, all of us pirates. But currently, as you
>> state it ,there is lack of people of real talent and background stepping
>> forward for doing good work.
>> However, Andrew is and has been one of the people who does, despite his
>> intolerance for incompetence and lucid personal agenda's and party politics
>> that works against each other instead of with each other.
>>
>> Just my 2 cents in this conversation ;)
>>
>> Samir Allioui
>> Founder Dutch pirate party & Former PPI co-president.
>>
>>
>>
>>     
>>>
>>> Today's Topics:
>>>
>>>   1. Re: Andrew Failing, AGAIN (Travis McCrea)
>>>
>>>
>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>> Message: 1
>>> Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2010 03:52:10 -0800
>>> From: Travis McCrea <travis.mccrea at pirate-party.us>
>>> Subject: Re: [pp.int.general] Andrew Failing, AGAIN
>>> To: Pirate Parties International -- General Talk
>>>        <pp.international.general at lists.pirateweb.net>
>>> Message-ID:
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>>>
>>> Sorry to grave dig an old thread, but I would love to put my two cents
>>> into
>>> this conversation..
>>>
>>> Andrew Norton has always been a sniffling know-it-all (who actually knows
>>> crap), and is one of the biggest factors to why the Untied States Pirate
>>> Party is where it is (the other of course being the United States' insane
>>> laws regarding political parties). He hardly represents the actual thought
>>> process that the United States Pirate Party has, so hopefully none of you
>>> base your opinion on us, based on him.
>>>
>>> The arguments you raise in this discussion, are the same ones that we have
>>> been having in our IRC channel, and the reason why there are not many
>>> people
>>> of real talent and background stepping forward to do anything. He makes
>>> our
>>> party, and he makes PPI look like a joke.
>>>
>>> I know this sounds like I am fighting negativity with more negativity...
>>> but
>>> seriously... every time in both PPI and in USPP affairs anyone ever takes
>>> the initiative to do something great, I always see him being the first one
>>> to try and make them look like an idiot. There are others too, but Andrew
>>> Norton is by far the worst of them. We are a small group in politics, even
>>> as a whole collective we make up fractions of voters... we don't need to
>>> have anyone (not just Andrew) always being the negative nancy... we need
>>> to
>>> support each other and make this an enjoyable party to be part of. It's
>>> emotionally taxing on anyone who cares about the party, to know how
>>> important our goals are, and how little people are paying attention to
>>> them,
>>> or voting for the same corrupt powers that are in place. When you work so
>>> hard, and give so much of your personal time to help the cause, the last
>>> thing you want is to be mocked, insulted, etc. by someone on your own
>>> side.
>>>
>>> We need to stand together, the whole PPI... Its funny that for a Political
>>> Party whose main focus it is to share ideas, we don't really share much
>>> between parties (at least not much that I have seen). I have been working
>>> to
>>> build the bond between the US and Canadian parties, which has shown some
>>> success... but its still not fully there. Then when people DO share ideas,
>>> they get harassed. Thats not acceptable... of course you have your free
>>> speech, I am not saying that we should censor these people... but these
>>> people should be made aware that their words and actions are not helping
>>> anyone.
>>>
>>>
>>> Travis McCrea
>>> Volunteer - USPP
>>> 1(206)552-TRAV (8728)
>>> *
>>> *
>>>
>>>       
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