[pp.int.general] File Sharing in Space

[Erik Lönroth]

On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 11:12 PM, Stefan Sakowitz <Multireal at gmx.de> wrote:
> Yep, Erik.....
>
> Getting more precise:
>
> The question of launching vehicles into
> national aerospace or beeing responsible for
> passing air-vehicles is not hypothetical.
> And it may be cause for fatal publicity.

What are the chances of a baloon hitting an aircraft ? Even more,
causing any problems for it in the process? I mean, birds have to be a
more serious threat and I don't see authorities taking them to court
like TPB.

>
> In the US the first project for sending
> private satellites into orbit is on the way, while
> enormously expensive. But, as we all know, these
> technologies will get cheaper, but may never be financed
> by anti- (not just non-) profit organizations like PPI.
> According to this, a clever pirate-radio is
> a well funded idea.

A radio is so 1966. But hey sure, a boat, a torrent-site, solar panels
and GPS gear. Sounds fun!

But I also find it super-difficult to create a boat that is remote
controlled and self maintaining....  I even find it difficult to take
care of my own boat.

I like the way this idea is being shaped though! Maybe it could be
spawns of this...


> My reason for keeping the technical and financial
> approach smaller is, that in 1998 a remote-controlled
> sail-boat for a trip round the globe was nearly
> finished at the (IT) College of Furtwangen (Germany).
> My last information was, that the project was never
> finished, because the relation between financial
> expenses and risks was not acceptable.
> And behind this had been the money of SAP (!!)
>
> A smaller attempt could be to send a remote-controlled
> platform alongside the national territory with the
> remote control in the 200-mile-zone. Ex: From GB to
> Netherlands to Belgium to France etc.....
>
> This should be the safest and cheapest process.
>
> Rgds
>
> Stefan
>
> ....and yep, heard of avionics before.....
>

Anyway.... for this to become real, it has to begin somewhere.

>
> -------- Original-Nachricht --------
>> Datum: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 22:52:47 +0200
>> Von: "Erik Lönroth" <erik.lonroth at gmail.com>
>> An: Pirate Parties International -- General Talk <pp.international.general at lists.pirateweb.net>
>> Betreff: Re: [pp.int.general] File Sharing in Space
>
>> On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 10:34 PM, Stefan Sakowitz <Multireal at gmx.de>
>> wrote:
>> > For sure.....the idea is nice and great. No doubt.
>> >
>> > In fact: I can even follow the idea, reaching out for a
>> > publicity action in order to gather money for a private
>> > rocket/satellite-project. This is already started.......
>> >
>>
>> What do you mean Stefan? Do you already raise money for a rocket? Can I
>> come?
>>
>> > On the other hand, my fears concentrate on opinions,
>> > arguing on >some guys launching vehicles into airtraffic<.
>> > Very quickly this may unveil counterproductive.
>> >
>>
>> Well, it's probably too early to reason about it. I don't like to
>> worry about hypothetical problems. The real ones are far too many
>> already.
>>
>> > Although remote-controlled toy-ships would be funny
>> > training-targets for the forces too, the effect of
>> > probably endangering the public ist neutralized.
>> >
>> > I don´t want to be mistaken: The abstract idea of launching
>> > the most modern and smartest Pirate-Radio is great.
>> >
>>
>> I think so too. This thing could be great with the help from all of
>> you. I can only do some of it, I need help. I need great people to do
>> great stuff.
>>
>> I could picture myself "ALOT" of bit-torrent baloons being launched
>> from all over the world at some pre set date aswell !
>>
>> > Stefan
>> > Senior aviation engineer/Germany
>> >
>>
>> You seem to know your ways on avionics...
>>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > -------- Original-Nachricht --------
>> >> Datum: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 20:18:12 +0000
>> >> Von: Rodrigo dA <rata_0071 at hotmail.com>
>> >> An: pp.international.general at lists.pirateweb.net
>> >> Betreff: Re: [pp.int.general] File Sharing in Space
>> >
>> >>
>> >> This project is great!!
>> >> I agree going for the balloon first is the best, it's cheaper and will
>> >> give you hands on experience with the necessary hardware to make it
>> work.
>> >> Also will give you experience dealing with the legal bureaucracy and
>> >> people would be more willing to finance a satellite project if they see
>> you can
>> >> get the work done.
>> >>
>> >> regards
>> >> Rodrigo de Arzave
>> >> > Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 16:11:21 -0400
>> >> > From: ktetch at gmail.com
>> >> > To: pp.international.general at lists.pirateweb.net
>> >> > Subject: Re: [pp.int.general] File Sharing in Space
>> >> >
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>> >> > On 10/18/2010 4:07 PM, Stefan Sakowitz wrote:
>> >> > > .....and, as I see it, the aerospace above countries
>> >> > > is far more controlled and claimed by nations as their
>> >> > > landscape or seashore borders are.
>> >> >
>> >> > That's true. Reminds me of a conversation I had with Samir and some
>> >> > others when helping them with some translations last night.
>> >> >
>> >> > Pirate Radio (as in the classic 'boat-at-sea' type. A bit like
>> sealand,
>> >> > but not on crown lands, using a UK mailing address as it's official
>> >> > address, or being inside the claimed limit)
>> >> >
>> >> > Anyone know of some old ships going cheap?
>> >> >
>> >> > >
>> >> > >> Ooops...< said the Air Force Commodore......
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Stefan
>> >> > >
>> >> > > -------- Original-Nachricht --------
>> >> > >> Datum: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 19:49:34 +0200
>> >> > >> Von: Christian Hufgard <pp at christian-hufgard.de>
>> >> > >> An: Pirate Parties International -- General Talk
>> >> <pp.international.general at lists.pirateweb.net>
>> >> > >> Betreff: Re: [pp.int.general] File Sharing in Space
>> >> > >
>> >> > >> Am 18.10.2010 19:34, schrieb Erik Lönroth:
>> >> > >>> Seems like a response from the community with some substance to
>> it!
>> >> I
>> >> > >>> like the idea of "Practical Politics" instead of just "Political
>> >> > >>> Politics". Not to say one goes without the other, but in the end
>> >> your
>> >> > >>> either do or you don't.
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> Please keep in mind, that it can be pretty dangerous to launch
>> >> objects
>> >> > >> into the air - the many rules according that topic have not at all
>> >> been
>> >> > >> invented to annoy people.
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> There are a lot of planes out there...
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> Christian
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>> >> >
>> >> > - --
>> >> > Andrew Norton
>> >> > http://ktetch.blogspot.com
>> >> > Tel: (352)6-KTETCH [352-658-3824]
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