[pp.int.general] PPI GA Prague / Video Conference System for remote delegates

[Rok Andrée]

@Wolfgang
You have my full support as i have seen the good work you do (I'm the
delegate for Slovenia and will be in Prague in person). While very
generously searching for software to use i would recommend you only limit
your self on these points:

1. Free (free as in beer) to the end user and affordable to the organizers.
2. Security
3. Usefulness.
4. Reliability.

I suspect this will not be a big issue. There will be wining, but if it
works well no one will remember after.

@Sanches
I was going to explain the difference between real blocks and self imposed
blocks. But i'm not going to because i know that telling someone who
is passionate about something that that something is not that big of a
deail (in this context!!) usually ends badly.

Politics, evolution and advancement of society is *not* about sticking to
your ideals at all cost. It's all about *compromise*, *cooperation* and slow
* advancment towards the ideal*.

To put it simply: A reptile did not turn into a bird by standing still and
saying "I will only fly". It become a bird by slowly, through generations,
jumping every higher.


PS: Sanches the budget for the entire GA is under 1000€. I'm a developer as
well and we both know this cant be done for 100€.

Lp
Rok Andrée
Piratska stranka Slovenije - Slovenian Pirate Party



On 28 December 2011 19:22, Wolfgang Preiss <w.preiss at gmx.de> wrote:

> Am 28.12.2011 18:09, schrieb Felipe Sanches:
>
>  It is not only Stallman's opinion.
>> It is also my opinion and I hope that more people here also agree with us
>> that software freedom matters.
>>
>>
> I'd like to point out some details, which are kinda mixed up:
>
> Streaming:
>
> I do provide streaming which is transported by the rtmp and the rtsp
> protocoll. First can be watched using a flash based (but open source)
> player on piraten-streaming.
> Second can be watched with several different players, including VLC which
> claims to be consistand of mostly free components.
>
> I have not tried, but it is likely that even the above mentioned player
> (JW Player) also works with gnash.
>
> From what I have read, the free software extremists are only satisfied if
> the stream is ogg, only ogg and nothing but ogg? Isn't it enough that I
> priovide a solution that does not force you into non-free software?
>
> Video-Conferencing:
>
> I have checked so many different software meanwhile, and whatever is web
> based uses flash in order to get access to the cam and microfone. I have
> found one open souce conference software, which disabled video conferencing
> due to not wanting to use H.264 or V8
>
> So: By Stallman even skype is out of discussion due to ideology
>
> Try to check this from my perspective: I am trying to satisfy as many
> poeple as possible, and so far, this is the only mailing list, I receive a
> shitstorm when talking about my services. I DO want to provide a
> satisfiying stable service, but your demands (not wishes, but demands) make
> it hard for me. So far noone has offered my a solution, all option I get is
> try and error. I do get told, HOW something could be done better (and not
> only by "use free software") but only "you do it wrong"
>
> This is extremly frustrating.
>
> In another mail you compared this to vegetarians: But you do not only want
> to be served vegetarian food, you also demand that no other is eating
> something different (after the system is supposed to serve all users)
>
> So - from my point of view - a few extremists (of which I know one will
> not be using the system anyway) - decide for all the rest of what ideology
> is right and wrong for them. Where is the free choice?
>
> Wolfgang
>
> by the way Felipe: Will you be the delegate for your country participating
> via the video conference software?
>
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