[pp.int.general] PPI GA Prague / Video Conference System for remote delegates

[Pat Maechler aka Valio]

I also realized by now that one reason why I usually refrain from
using authoritarian leading [1] is that I may tend to mix up clear and
concise expression with speaking out possible suspicions I might have
to about a persons I want to speak about; especially when under the
impression of being under pressure and that something must be done to
not let things go further astray, where it's coincidentally also the
only situation where I think that authoritarian leadership might be
necessary.
as said I'm terribly sorry and want to publicly apologize to Wolfgang
for suspecting him of thinking in this way; I openly admit that I
slightly (not clearly!) suspected him of thinking this way (as well as
other thought of him this way), but that I had no clear indication
from his side on this; but currently I can't do nothing more than
doing that and trying to avoid to let this mistake happen in the
future.

[1] http://lists.pirateweb.net/pipermail/pp.international.general/2011-December/010195.html

-pat

On Fri, Dec 30, 2011 at 12:50 PM, Pat Mächler
<patrick.maechler at pp-international.net> wrote:
> I realized that I missed the point to state that I got the impression
> most people on the ML would miss who will be responsible for the
> decision. I admit, that I was not certain if Wolfgang did get that
> point or not. However I wrote the mail in a way which indicated that
> he was not. I would like to apologize for this mistake. I don't want
> to accuse Wolfgang of having missed that point; I should have written
> the mail in a way which left that open.
>
> -pat
>
> On Fri, Dec 30, 2011 at 12:38 PM, Pat Mächler
> <patrick.maechler at pp-international.net> wrote:
>> No probs; I assumed most of what you wrote ;-)
>> Also I'm sorry if my previous response was probably be a bit harsh in tone.
>> But I felt that I was in a situation where I had to make it very clear
>> to everyone that concerning the question if there is only one system
>> or if there need to be several is a decision which I can't sanely
>> delegate to anyone else, but which is primary up to the member
>> delegates (as they need to bear with it), and second to the PPI board
>> members (as we have the responsibility by election by all member).
>> As said: I'm very happy and really grateful for all the effort
>> (including this discussion) you invested and invest in Pirate
>> streaming and also in researching possible solutions for remote
>> participation. I could write more, but then it would probably become
>> pathetic; just be assured that I'm *really* grateful ;)
>>
>> -pat
>>
>> On Fri, Dec 30, 2011 at 11:54 AM, Wolfgang Preiss <w.preiss at gmx.de> wrote:
>>> Am 30.12.2011 11:34, schrieb Pat Maechler aka Valio:
>>>
>>>> I'm sorry that I have to interfere here and comment on that, Wolfgang.
>>>> But as one of the board members appointed responsible for the GA I
>>>> simply have to, in order not to create more havoc.
>>>
>>>
>>> Hello Pat,
>>>
>>> I am sorry if I left the impression, that I somehow would interfere with
>>> decisions which aren't my responsibility This was not my goal, and I
>>> appologize for this now and here formally.
>>>
>>> However, I have stated, that I _suggest_ possible solutions to the
>>> responsible persons. I quote myself here:
>>>
>>>
>>>> This will be/was suggested to the responsible PPI Board members, and the
>>>> remote delegates, and we will see if this gets accepted.
>>>
>>>
>>> Again, I am sorry if I left a wrong impression. Of course all scenarios I
>>> draw only will be suggestions. I am not the one to decide. I simply wanted
>>> to state technical possibilites.
>>>
>>> Noone is questioning your position.
>>>
>>> I am extremly sorry, that I haven't stated more clear that I only _suggest_
>>> possible solutions.
>>>
>>> Even in my last mail I stated:
>>>
>>>
>>>> I would like to add a detail to my concept described earlier:
>>>>
>>>> The moderator should be equipped with an cell phone for emergency calls -
>>>> eg breakdown of the software/connection/whatever. Every remote deligate will
>>>> be handed the international phone number of that phone, enabling to call
>>>> during the conference if any technical difficulty occours which keeps the
>>>> deligate from participating the way he is supposed to do so.
>>>
>>>
>>> The term I used is "should" and "detail to my concept" - I did not say it
>>> will be done so.
>>>
>>> A concept is a possible plan. Not a ready solution.
>>>
>>> Again I apologize. I will not present any suggestions in public and leave it
>>> of course to you to decide what details you want to discuss in public.
>>>
>>> Best regards
>>>
>>>
>>> Wolfgang
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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