[pp.int.general] Agora Voting System for a Liquid Democracy at FOSDEM

[Jordi Soucheiron]

DNIe uses a public key system it's almost impossible to break. Your private
keys are protected with a password. You would need the DNI and the password
to be able to impersonate somebody (as far as I know it isn't possible to
clone this kind of card (yet)).
Every system stores it's own data so you can't actually watch everything,
you can only log on. Banks in Spain usually require log in and a second
verification system (usually a card with a hundred random numbers) to do any
kind of operation. Actually you don't even need to use the DNI for online
banking if you don't want to, you can use regular username+password
authentication.
I can assure you that having a DNI doesn't avoid us the "pleasure" of
carrying around a handful of cards and ids for every service you can
imagine.

2011/1/28 Pirat at LennStar.de <pirat at lennstar.de>

> Yes, you could do all this. All this with a single card that is not
> secure. And if someone misuses this card you have to proof this it was
> not you wuth your anfakeable ID-card that bought the Ferrari.
>
> And of course, if you have a card that does all this things of course it
> should be the only card that you can use - that saves all persons the
> trouble with implmenting or carrying more cards.
> Of course, that gives someone a wonderful method to watch anything you
> do, but thats OK, its much easier in this way for all...
>
>
> LennStar
>
>
> Am 28.01.2011 14:26, schrieb Eduardo Robles Elvira:
> > On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 2:13 PM, José Manuel Goig
> > <hosemanuelgoc at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> And where are the benefits of being controlled by the state, if I may
> ask?
> >>
> >> José Manuel Goig
> >
> > Hola José,
> >
> > Well that's a question easy to answer. Benefits of a electronic
> > identity cards: You can sign documents with them. DNIe provides a
> > secure auhentication mechanism. If you sign a document with DNIe, it's
> > a legally valid and binding signature. All big banks in Spain provide
> > authentication using DNIe.
> >
> > You can collect legally valid and binding signatures for Legislative
> > Initiatives via Internet, and do the rent declaration via Internet
> > using DNIe, and essentially lots of tramits with the administration
> > can be done electronically using DNIe. And as you can see, not only
> > with administration: also with banks, and with an increasing number of
> > companies and organizations.You could use DNIe as an authentication
> > method for entering in areas with restricted security. All with a
> > single card.
> >
> > Many repressive measures have well known benefits. The problem is not
> > that they don't have benefits. The problem is that despite all the
> > benefits, there are also drawbacks which are much bigger, and that our
> > liberties and privacy would suffer with them. Essentially: the end
> > doesn't justify the means.
> >
> > Regards,
> >    Eduardo.
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