[pp.int.general] PPI Open Space Conference Friedrichshafen

Wed Mar 23 10:26:23 CET 2011

On 23.03.2011, at 04:03, Ikke wrote:
>

> Oh blame me for that opening line. Thought it was funny, and the  
> document
> not up for general circulation in its present form.

Okay, Thank you, Mark, for clarifying the authorship of this document,
then is the only complaint to Samir is of sending out a link to
something that was clearly not done. Nevertheless I
find the statement ignorant and not funny at all.

> Here's what would be
> useful after the conclusion of an conference: a concise list of all  
> that
> has been discussed, decided, and what groups are formed with what  
> purpose,
> and how to reach them, what issues were unresolved, etc. In short, a
> rapport like the one we're making cause you cant be bothered.

Ok, since you were not present at the conference you
hardly can know this - let me clarify one important point.
The Open Space Conference uses a multi stage approach
to get the results and to monetize on the knowledge and
diversity of its participants. In the first stage the open
rounds are held and participants are encouraged to
note down the results. This is what the most of the
document is containing - the dumps of 24 of the
working groups that were working on an issue.

however, the groups are are not "formed", as you put
it, in that step. This is what the second step is for,
and its has been scheduled for Sunday, but gone
unfortunately largely unnoticed by most of the
conference participants. (I learn from that, the
Open Space should be limited to a single day
if conducted in parallel to the formal sessions
of the General Assembly). In this step the
projects are kicked off, and next steps are
planned.

So basically, the process is still going, and
what you are trying to do might be useful
to some, but it is micro-managing the
stage of the process that is already done.

>
> So why dont you stop being a crybaby and get this evaluation done,
> considering you are apparently the main organiser.

I am not crying, but I am reacting to the insults.
And I have done the evaluation - the documentation
is online since last week, and in two weeks time
on April 9th there is the follow-up meeting
scheduled, to follow up on what has been started
and to kick off more initiatives. I do not see any
more value of transcribing the whole document
to plain text, other than to make it accessible
to those who are visually impaired.

sincerely,

Gregory Engels
International Coordinator
Pirate Party of Germany

mobile: +49 172 853 44 91
skype:gregory.engels
jabber:dichter at jabber.piratenpartei.de

>
>
> On Wed, 23 Mar 2011 03:13:58 +0100, Gregory Engels
> <Gregory.Engels at piratenpartei-hessen.de> wrote:
>> Dear Samir,
>>
>> you have showed clearly your disdain for the creative work the
>> participants
>> of the Open Space have done.
>>
>> The sentence that you begin your document with:
>>
>> "Open conferences, the cafe au lait under the conferences as far as
>> the ratio between conference and breaks are concerned. Moreover, each
>> participant gets to intellectually masturbate his share of milk. If
>> you wish to swallow it down:"
>>
>> (and then link to the results document of the Open Space) - I take
>> this, as the main organizer
>> of the Conference and the Open Space part of it, as a personal  
>> insult.
>> But please, stop
>> spiting in the face of the participants that had enjoyed the process,
>> and have produced
>> a lot of documented result.
>>
>> Instead you should concentrate of seting of new undertakings and
>> projects out of this
>> working groups, rather then digging into and retyping the brain-dump
>> results of the
>> working sessions of the Open Space.
>>
>> having said this, cause it really have hurt me.
>>
>>
>> Gregory Engels
>> International Coordinator
>> Pirate Party of Germany
>>
>> mobile: +49 172 853 44 91
>> skype:gregory.engels
>> jabber:dichter at jabber.piratenpartei.de
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 23.03.2011, at 02:56, Samir Allioui wrote:
>>
>>> I started digesting the data already as you can see here
>>>
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1rFKrofuHs6oRZG-IfJ5GH5YcNQ5DKXtKSSsVo2uXc_I/edit?hl=en&authkey=CIG3-b0M
>>>
>>> #
>>>
>>> Feel free to add, or copy to the wiki.
>>>
>>> /signed
>>>
>>> Samir.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 2:50 AM, Gregory Engels
>>> <Gregory.Engels at piratenpartei-hessen.de
>>>> wrote:
>>> Dear Pirates,
>>>
>>> now as we all have got home and the new board was elected and have
>>> started working,
>>>
>>> The open space conference has been a success judjed by the gross of
>>> the evaluation that has been returned.
>>>
>>> However, I must apologies, that the intended format of the Open
>>> Space conference was not conducted to the
>>> end in the way it was planned, mostly due to the schedule changes on
>>> sunday because of the late start and
>>> the additional voting blocks drawing everyones attention.
>>>
>>> In that last phase (that mostly went unnoticed) projects had to be
>>> kicked of out of the open space rounds
>>> that were held during the first day.
>>>
>>> please see the documentation of the working goups [1]
>>>
>>> We have set up a wiki page that has documented, what actualy have
>>> started (5 Projects),
>>> but I would like to invite everyone who was at the conference (and
>>> others too) to a meeting
>>> in two weeks time, on Saturday April, 9th 20h CET by using the PPI
>>> SIP telko room [3] to
>>> introduce the projects that had been started and to kick off new  
>>> ones.
>>>
>>>
>>> [1]
>>>
> https://www.mypirates.net/assets/894/PPI%20OpenSpace%202011%20Friedrichshafen%20Documentation.pdf
>>> [2]
>>> http://int.piratenpartei.de/PPI_Conference_2011/OpenSpace-Documentation
>>> [3] http://int.piratenpartei.de/Telco_How-To
>>>
>>> sincerly yours,
>>>
>>> Gregory Engels
>>> International Coordinator
>>> Pirate Party of Germany
>>>
>>> mobile: +49 172 853 44 91
>>> skype:gregory.engels
>>> jabber:dichter at jabber.piratenpartei.de
>>>
>>>
>>>
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