[pp.int.general] PPI Open Space Conference Friedrichshafen

Wed Mar 23 14:08:29 CET 2011

Don't mention it, Angie. I don't blame you for not finding it funny, it's
not your fault you're German.

Even though I do agree remote participation left much to be desired,
George, I wouldn't discount my presence on the conference all together. It
is also interesting that when you read the word 'formed' you seem to think
this implies a top down approach. Which would explain much, then again it's
not your fault you're German. Similarly, seem to think the intend is to
micromanage. 

While I understand it might seem like a lot of unnecessary work to someone
with your track record, Jimmy, it is genuinely useful when everyone else
knows too what the hell has happened. Then again, the gist of your story
seems to be that only half the required activities have been undertaken,
which also keeps in line with your track record. At this point I would not
wish to insult the German people.

I thank you for further elaborating on the concept of an open conference,
Tim, it was really hard reading the first pages of the .pdf, which for the
record literally states 'In other words - Open Space is one big Break'.
It's also good to see you can spell words like 'monetize', though I do
indeed wonder how we are going to do such and why this would an aim of
ours. 

On a final note: where the hell is this evaluation then, Melissa, cause
I've looked all over for it. It is not on the wiki page, it is not on the
facebook event, it is not sent over this mailing list, where the bloody
hell do you stash your evaluation?

On Wed, 23 Mar 2011 10:26:23 +0100, Gregory Engels
<Gregory.Engels at piratenpartei-hessen.de> wrote:
> On 23.03.2011, at 04:03, Ikke wrote:
>>
> 
>> Oh blame me for that opening line. Thought it was funny, and the  
>> document
>> not up for general circulation in its present form.
> 
> 
> Okay, Thank you, Mark, for clarifying the authorship of this document,
> then is the only complaint to Samir is of sending out a link to
> something that was clearly not done. Nevertheless I
> find the statement ignorant and not funny at all.
> 
>> Here's what would be
>> useful after the conclusion of an conference: a concise list of all  
>> that
>> has been discussed, decided, and what groups are formed with what  
>> purpose,
>> and how to reach them, what issues were unresolved, etc. In short, a
>> rapport like the one we're making cause you cant be bothered.
> 
> Ok, since you were not present at the conference you
> hardly can know this - let me clarify one important point.
> The Open Space Conference uses a multi stage approach
> to get the results and to monetize on the knowledge and
> diversity of its participants. In the first stage the open
> rounds are held and participants are encouraged to
> note down the results. This is what the most of the
> document is containing - the dumps of 24 of the
> working groups that were working on an issue.
> 
> however, the groups are are not "formed", as you put
> it, in that step. This is what the second step is for,
> and its has been scheduled for Sunday, but gone
> unfortunately largely unnoticed by most of the
> conference participants. (I learn from that, the
> Open Space should be limited to a single day
> if conducted in parallel to the formal sessions
> of the General Assembly). In this step the
> projects are kicked off, and next steps are
> planned.
> 
> So basically, the process is still going, and
> what you are trying to do might be useful
> to some, but it is micro-managing the
> stage of the process that is already done.
> 
>>
>> So why dont you stop being a crybaby and get this evaluation done,
>> considering you are apparently the main organiser.
> 
> 
> I am not crying, but I am reacting to the insults.
> And I have done the evaluation - the documentation
> is online since last week, and in two weeks time
> on April 9th there is the follow-up meeting
> scheduled, to follow up on what has been started
> and to kick off more initiatives. I do not see any
> more value of transcribing the whole document
> to plain text, other than to make it accessible
> to those who are visually impaired.
> 
> sincerely,
> 
> Gregory Engels
> International Coordinator
> Pirate Party of Germany
> 
> mobile: +49 172 853 44 91
> skype:gregory.engels
> jabber:dichter at jabber.piratenpartei.de
> 
> 
> 
> 
>>
>>
>> On Wed, 23 Mar 2011 03:13:58 +0100, Gregory Engels
>> <Gregory.Engels at piratenpartei-hessen.de> wrote:
>>> Dear Samir,
>>>
>>> you have showed clearly your disdain for the creative work the
>>> participants
>>> of the Open Space have done.
>>>
>>> The sentence that you begin your document with:
>>>
>>> "Open conferences, the cafe au lait under the conferences as far as
>>> the ratio between conference and breaks are concerned. Moreover, each
>>> participant gets to intellectually masturbate his share of milk. If
>>> you wish to swallow it down:"
>>>
>>> (and then link to the results document of the Open Space) - I take
>>> this, as the main organizer
>>> of the Conference and the Open Space part of it, as a personal  
>>> insult.
>>> But please, stop
>>> spiting in the face of the participants that had enjoyed the process,
>>> and have produced
>>> a lot of documented result.
>>>
>>> Instead you should concentrate of seting of new undertakings and
>>> projects out of this
>>> working groups, rather then digging into and retyping the brain-dump
>>> results of the
>>> working sessions of the Open Space.
>>>
>>> having said this, cause it really have hurt me.
>>>
>>>
>>> Gregory Engels
>>> International Coordinator
>>> Pirate Party of Germany
>>>
>>> mobile: +49 172 853 44 91
>>> skype:gregory.engels
>>> jabber:dichter at jabber.piratenpartei.de
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 23.03.2011, at 02:56, Samir Allioui wrote:
>>>
>>>> I started digesting the data already as you can see here
>>>>
>>
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1rFKrofuHs6oRZG-IfJ5GH5YcNQ5DKXtKSSsVo2uXc_I/edit?hl=en&authkey=CIG3-b0M
>>>>
>>>> #
>>>>
>>>> Feel free to add, or copy to the wiki.
>>>>
>>>> /signed
>>>>
>>>> Samir.
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 2:50 AM, Gregory Engels
>>>> <Gregory.Engels at piratenpartei-hessen.de
>>>>> wrote:
>>>> Dear Pirates,
>>>>
>>>> now as we all have got home and the new board was elected and have
>>>> started working,
>>>>
>>>> The open space conference has been a success judjed by the gross of
>>>> the evaluation that has been returned.
>>>>
>>>> However, I must apologies, that the intended format of the Open
>>>> Space conference was not conducted to the
>>>> end in the way it was planned, mostly due to the schedule changes on
>>>> sunday because of the late start and
>>>> the additional voting blocks drawing everyones attention.
>>>>
>>>> In that last phase (that mostly went unnoticed) projects had to be
>>>> kicked of out of the open space rounds
>>>> that were held during the first day.
>>>>
>>>> please see the documentation of the working goups [1]
>>>>
>>>> We have set up a wiki page that has documented, what actualy have
>>>> started (5 Projects),
>>>> but I would like to invite everyone who was at the conference (and
>>>> others too) to a meeting
>>>> in two weeks time, on Saturday April, 9th 20h CET by using the PPI
>>>> SIP telko room [3] to
>>>> introduce the projects that had been started and to kick off new  
>>>> ones.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> [1]
>>>>
>>
https://www.mypirates.net/assets/894/PPI%20OpenSpace%202011%20Friedrichshafen%20Documentation.pdf
>>>> [2]
>>>>
http://int.piratenpartei.de/PPI_Conference_2011/OpenSpace-Documentation
>>>> [3] http://int.piratenpartei.de/Telco_How-To
>>>>
>>>> sincerly yours,
>>>>
>>>> Gregory Engels
>>>> International Coordinator
>>>> Pirate Party of Germany
>>>>
>>>> mobile: +49 172 853 44 91
>>>> skype:gregory.engels
>>>> jabber:dichter at jabber.piratenpartei.de
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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