[pp.int.general] Fwd: 18 new MEPs to arrive next month

Richard Suchenwirth suchenwi at googlemail.com
Wed Nov 16 20:39:24 CET 2011

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Let's be realistic. Recent German jurisdiction ruled out the 5%
threshold for EP elections. That's good news for small parties.

On the other hand, the German Pirate Party scores between 5% and 9% in
current polls. That's good news too, for Pirates.

But Germany has 99 seats in the EP, so come the next elections, with
similar rates, that would be 5..9 seats for German Pirates. If Pirates
in other countries don't add to that figure, it's far from the 25
member limit required for a "group".

Am 2011-11-15 14:10, schrieb Yves Quemener:
> I don't rely have any advice on the issue. But just wondering : if
> the PP separates from the Greens, will the Greens stop to promote
> the items they were convinced by the PP to add in their program ?
> Unorthodox idea : would it be possible to split the MEPs of the PP 
> across several bigger groups ? The condition being the acceptance
> of the PP's program.
> I don't know if it makes more sense to be a stand-alone group or
> an "infectious vector". I think I'd rather have 50 MEPs defending
> the ideas of the PP under another banner than have 5 PP MEPs
> isolated in their own group.
> I would consider it a victory to see the majority of the European 
> Parliament defend the ideas of the PP inside various different
> programs, even if it means the dilution of the PP.
> On 11/15/2011 09:56 PM, Justus Römeth wrote:
>> It does not seem likely that this will be implemented before the
>> next election, when the cards will be shuffled again. Now, 25 MEP
>> is a high number we can not expect to reach within the next 2
>> election circles, although with the right scandals it could be
>> possible (keep in mind that Germany sends the biggest numbers of
>> MEPs and the PPDE polls at 6-8% at the moment), so assuming that
>> this will depend on our 2 current MEPs is a bit early I think.
>> What I read about the proposal does not specify what requirements
>> such a 'group' would need to meet in order to be allowed to put
>> forward a European-wide list. If you know more, feel free to
>> share it, but until then we can assume that it may be enough for
>> a group to be in a national parliament, or to be represented in
>> the EP, which the PPs may well be by that time. I for one think
>> it can be harmfull to associate too closely with the Greens, but
>> that may be because I am from a country where both the Greens as
>> well as the PP are quite big, and (need to) differ on some
>> ideas. I am not questioning Christian and Amelia having joined
>> the Green fraction in the EP, but I doubt it would be wise to run
>> as part of them in a European-wide election.
>> Does anybody know how much the European Liberal Democrat and
>> Reform 
>> Party<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Liberal_Democrat_and_Reform_Party>is
ruled by economic liberalism, and how much they care about civil
>> liberties? With the German Liberals defunct it could make sense
>> for PPDE to join them instead of the Greens for differentiation,
>> since the traditional German liberal party (FDP) is at an
>> all-time-low (disclaimer: I am just a simple member of PPDE, who
>> doesn't even have contact to the board of PPDE, this is a play
>> with thoughts, not the announcement of some sort).
>> On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 12:26 PM, David Arcos
>> <david.arcos at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 11:53 AM, Jack Allnutt
>>> <m2ys4u at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> We would need 25 from at least 5 member states to form a
>>>> group if I remember correctly.
>>> Challenge accepted ;-)

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