[pp.int.general] About the situation in Spain

[Choms]

Some people is telling me that pastebin won't load anymore, idk what
happened, but here's the new one: http://pastebin.com/DsZuJRTu

About what Brendan said, there's a formal way to do that? This entire
thread can be considered as a formal motion.

Regards


El 4 de abril de 2012 13:29, Brendan Molloy <
brendan.molloy at pirateparty.org.au> escribió:

> I would recommend that any party or member of any party that feels PPES
> is acting against the spirit of the Pirate movement that they place a
> formal motion to have PPES's membership suspending pending investigation
> by the CoA.
>
> I'm tired of hearing about the bullshit. It's time someone puts in a
> formal complaint and it is dealt with in a proper and formal manner.
>
> Kenneth Peiruza wrote:
> > If you are still a member, I can't understand why you don't have right
> > to voice and vote ....
> >
> > This "not all members have right to vote in PP-ES" it's a bit shy...
> > (the famous "census" stuff).
> >
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Kenneth
> >
> > Al 04/04/12 12:51, En/na David Arcos ha escrit:
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> I will just confirm that this voting exists.
> >>
> >> Cheers,
> >>
> >>
> >> On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 12:43 PM, Choms <choms at botmania.net
> >> <mailto:choms at botmania.net>> wrote:
> >>
> >>     Hi,
> >>
> >>     I've just wanted to add that, due this email, and other fake
> >>     accusations, PP-ES is voting to expel me.
> >>
> >>     You can read the full list of accusations and my response to all
> >>     them (sorry, it's in spanish) here: http://pastebin.com/KGmgy0dE
> >>
> >>     The ballot is exactly the same but without my responses, and I
> >>     have no right on reply nor vote
> >>
> >>     Regards
> >>
> >>
> >>     El 23 de marzo de 2012 15:14, Choms <choms at botmania.net
> >>     <mailto:choms at botmania.net>> escribió:
> >>
> >>         This is a short report about the situation on PP-ES:
> >>
> >>         Our CoA have been "voting" a resolution about the former board
> >>         and several infractions they did for four weeks. Those
> >>         infractions include that the former secretary and the former
> >>         CTO kidnapped the former treasurer mail account, the party's
> >>         paypal account and even deleted all secretary account emails,
> >>         which were proof of an illegal drop of aprox 450 affiliates.
> >>
> >>         Now all our CoA have been resigned, and there are new illegal
> >>         CoA elections who break 3 entire articles of our statutes
> >>         (art. 19.c, 13.c, and 20.b). The former secretary who is
> >>         charged of all I've mentioned above is postulated as CoA
> >>         president. One of our affiliated just disputed this election
> >>         based on above articles plus 7.4 and 8.2, and solicited the
> >>         convocation of a new extraordinary assembly of the party.
> >>
> >>         Have been raised a motion of censure against Daniel Riaño,
> >>         actual president of Madrid territorial (and member of the
> >>         party's board) because several "strong language" against other
> >>         members of the party, members of the Madrid board and members
> >>         and work of the CoA. After that, he even showed power abuse on
> >>         the last Madrid assembly, using him status as president to
> >>         take back some decisions he didn't wanted, using a law that
> >>         himself broke when he got the charge (Administrative Procedure
> >>         Act, which doesn't allow to set board members at show of hands
> >>         which is the way he get the charge with 7 in favor and 4
> >>         against it, of 60's Madrid's members). After that he even
> >>         refused on an aggressive manner to end the assembly just to
> >>         say "I am the president and nothing gets up until I tell"
> >>         (I've tried to be as accurate as possible on the translation)
> >>         in front of 6 people.
> >>
> >>         For this motion of censure the party is using a tool made by
> >>         the former CTO who helped the former secretary on all (and
> >>         more things) I've mentioned on first point. This tool have a
> >>         little inconvenient, for it's creator and some members of the
> >>         party nothing important, that is that any administrator can
> >>         vote as any affiliate, all ballots are served on plain text
> >>         via administrator's interface. IMHO this is a serious security
> >>         issue, any admin can vote as any affiliate and there is no way
> >>         to check what voted who (obviously), and even change the
> >>         ballots order to get people voting one option while they think
> >>         they are voting another. The creator of this tool, who refuses
> >>         to fix the bug, justified telling me that "you can also change
> >>         the results on the DB, it's more easy". Several admins are
> >>         implicated directly on what is voting. It's planned to use
> >>         this tool to vote the new CoA.
> >>
> >>         Actual secretary, against my advice, deleted several proofs of
> >>         Data Protection Act violation, in response to that I told him
> >>         that was negligent (concretely I told him that he was crazy
> >>         for deleting that), and now he used that email to justify my
> >>         expulsion as actual CTO of PP-ES, removing my access and
> >>         making it impossible to retrieve any data or proof of law
> >>         violation, data which I was giving to the (now former) CoA
> >>         (always respecting all points included on Spanish Data
> >>         Protection Act) to allow them to investigate all
> >>         irregularities and penal illegalities.
> >>
> >>         This is, broadly, the situation of PP-ES, it can be defined
> >>         (from an affiliate point of view) as impotence and frustration
> >>         in face of the situation.
> >>
> >>         Best Regards,
> >>         Choms.
> >>
> >>
> >>
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> Regards,
>
> Brendan Molloy
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>
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