[pp.int.general] About the situation in Spain

Choms choms at botmania.net
Wed Apr 4 15:55:51 CEST 2012 

Someone is reporting to get deleted the pastebin, so I've decided to change
provider, for the sake of transparency: http://text0.tk/645

I hope not to have to repost it anymore, and sorry for the inconvenience.

Cheers

El 4 de abril de 2012 13:34, Choms <choms at botmania.net> escribió:

> Some people is telling me that pastebin won't load anymore, idk what
> happened, but here's the new one: http://pastebin.com/DsZuJRTu
>
> About what Brendan said, there's a formal way to do that? This entire
> thread can be considered as a formal motion.
>
> Regards
>
>
> El 4 de abril de 2012 13:29, Brendan Molloy <
> brendan.molloy at pirateparty.org.au> escribió:
>
> I would recommend that any party or member of any party that feels PPES
>> is acting against the spirit of the Pirate movement that they place a
>> formal motion to have PPES's membership suspending pending investigation
>> by the CoA.
>>
>> I'm tired of hearing about the bullshit. It's time someone puts in a
>> formal complaint and it is dealt with in a proper and formal manner.
>>
>> Kenneth Peiruza wrote:
>> > If you are still a member, I can't understand why you don't have right
>> > to voice and vote ....
>> >
>> > This "not all members have right to vote in PP-ES" it's a bit shy...
>> > (the famous "census" stuff).
>> >
>> >
>> > Regards,
>> >
>> > Kenneth
>> >
>> > Al 04/04/12 12:51, En/na David Arcos ha escrit:
>> >> Hi,
>> >>
>> >> I will just confirm that this voting exists.
>> >>
>> >> Cheers,
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 12:43 PM, Choms <choms at botmania.net
>> >> <mailto:choms at botmania.net>> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>     Hi,
>> >>
>> >>     I've just wanted to add that, due this email, and other fake
>> >>     accusations, PP-ES is voting to expel me.
>> >>
>> >>     You can read the full list of accusations and my response to all
>> >>     them (sorry, it's in spanish) here: http://pastebin.com/KGmgy0dE
>> >>
>> >>     The ballot is exactly the same but without my responses, and I
>> >>     have no right on reply nor vote
>> >>
>> >>     Regards
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>     El 23 de marzo de 2012 15:14, Choms <choms at botmania.net
>> >>     <mailto:choms at botmania.net>> escribió:
>> >>
>> >>         This is a short report about the situation on PP-ES:
>> >>
>> >>         Our CoA have been "voting" a resolution about the former board
>> >>         and several infractions they did for four weeks. Those
>> >>         infractions include that the former secretary and the former
>> >>         CTO kidnapped the former treasurer mail account, the party's
>> >>         paypal account and even deleted all secretary account emails,
>> >>         which were proof of an illegal drop of aprox 450 affiliates.
>> >>
>> >>         Now all our CoA have been resigned, and there are new illegal
>> >>         CoA elections who break 3 entire articles of our statutes
>> >>         (art. 19.c, 13.c, and 20.b). The former secretary who is
>> >>         charged of all I've mentioned above is postulated as CoA
>> >>         president. One of our affiliated just disputed this election
>> >>         based on above articles plus 7.4 and 8.2, and solicited the
>> >>         convocation of a new extraordinary assembly of the party.
>> >>
>> >>         Have been raised a motion of censure against Daniel Riaño,
>> >>         actual president of Madrid territorial (and member of the
>> >>         party's board) because several "strong language" against other
>> >>         members of the party, members of the Madrid board and members
>> >>         and work of the CoA. After that, he even showed power abuse on
>> >>         the last Madrid assembly, using him status as president to
>> >>         take back some decisions he didn't wanted, using a law that
>> >>         himself broke when he got the charge (Administrative Procedure
>> >>         Act, which doesn't allow to set board members at show of hands
>> >>         which is the way he get the charge with 7 in favor and 4
>> >>         against it, of 60's Madrid's members). After that he even
>> >>         refused on an aggressive manner to end the assembly just to
>> >>         say "I am the president and nothing gets up until I tell"
>> >>         (I've tried to be as accurate as possible on the translation)
>> >>         in front of 6 people.
>> >>
>> >>         For this motion of censure the party is using a tool made by
>> >>         the former CTO who helped the former secretary on all (and
>> >>         more things) I've mentioned on first point. This tool have a
>> >>         little inconvenient, for it's creator and some members of the
>> >>         party nothing important, that is that any administrator can
>> >>         vote as any affiliate, all ballots are served on plain text
>> >>         via administrator's interface. IMHO this is a serious security
>> >>         issue, any admin can vote as any affiliate and there is no way
>> >>         to check what voted who (obviously), and even change the
>> >>         ballots order to get people voting one option while they think
>> >>         they are voting another. The creator of this tool, who refuses
>> >>         to fix the bug, justified telling me that "you can also change
>> >>         the results on the DB, it's more easy". Several admins are
>> >>         implicated directly on what is voting. It's planned to use
>> >>         this tool to vote the new CoA.
>> >>
>> >>         Actual secretary, against my advice, deleted several proofs of
>> >>         Data Protection Act violation, in response to that I told him
>> >>         that was negligent (concretely I told him that he was crazy
>> >>         for deleting that), and now he used that email to justify my
>> >>         expulsion as actual CTO of PP-ES, removing my access and
>> >>         making it impossible to retrieve any data or proof of law
>> >>         violation, data which I was giving to the (now former) CoA
>> >>         (always respecting all points included on Spanish Data
>> >>         Protection Act) to allow them to investigate all
>> >>         irregularities and penal illegalities.
>> >>
>> >>         This is, broadly, the situation of PP-ES, it can be defined
>> >>         (from an affiliate point of view) as impotence and frustration
>> >>         in face of the situation.
>> >>
>> >>         Best Regards,
>> >>         Choms.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
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>> --
>> Regards,
>>
>> Brendan Molloy
>> Secretary
>> Pirate Party Australia
>>
>> M: +61 449 617 246
>> W: http://www.pirateparty.org.au
>> E: brendan.molloy at pirateparty.org.au
>> T: @piecritic
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