[pp.int.general] About the situation in Spain

Choms choms at botmania.net
Wed Apr 4 16:45:19 CEST 2012


FFS, this is the last one, here it can't be removed:
http://www.botmania.net/rs.txt

Cheers and sorry for the multiposting

El 4 de abril de 2012 15:55, Choms <choms at botmania.net> escribió:

> Someone is reporting to get deleted the pastebin, so I've decided to
> change provider, for the sake of transparency: http://text0.tk/645
>
> I hope not to have to repost it anymore, and sorry for the inconvenience.
>
> Cheers
>
> El 4 de abril de 2012 13:34, Choms <choms at botmania.net> escribió:
>
> Some people is telling me that pastebin won't load anymore, idk what
>> happened, but here's the new one: http://pastebin.com/DsZuJRTu
>>
>> About what Brendan said, there's a formal way to do that? This entire
>> thread can be considered as a formal motion.
>>
>> Regards
>>
>>
>> El 4 de abril de 2012 13:29, Brendan Molloy <
>> brendan.molloy at pirateparty.org.au> escribió:
>>
>> I would recommend that any party or member of any party that feels PPES
>>> is acting against the spirit of the Pirate movement that they place a
>>> formal motion to have PPES's membership suspending pending investigation
>>> by the CoA.
>>>
>>> I'm tired of hearing about the bullshit. It's time someone puts in a
>>> formal complaint and it is dealt with in a proper and formal manner.
>>>
>>> Kenneth Peiruza wrote:
>>> > If you are still a member, I can't understand why you don't have right
>>> > to voice and vote ....
>>> >
>>> > This "not all members have right to vote in PP-ES" it's a bit shy...
>>> > (the famous "census" stuff).
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Regards,
>>> >
>>> > Kenneth
>>> >
>>> > Al 04/04/12 12:51, En/na David Arcos ha escrit:
>>> >> Hi,
>>> >>
>>> >> I will just confirm that this voting exists.
>>> >>
>>> >> Cheers,
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 12:43 PM, Choms <choms at botmania.net
>>> >> <mailto:choms at botmania.net>> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >>     Hi,
>>> >>
>>> >>     I've just wanted to add that, due this email, and other fake
>>> >>     accusations, PP-ES is voting to expel me.
>>> >>
>>> >>     You can read the full list of accusations and my response to all
>>> >>     them (sorry, it's in spanish) here: http://pastebin.com/KGmgy0dE
>>> >>
>>> >>     The ballot is exactly the same but without my responses, and I
>>> >>     have no right on reply nor vote
>>> >>
>>> >>     Regards
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>     El 23 de marzo de 2012 15:14, Choms <choms at botmania.net
>>> >>     <mailto:choms at botmania.net>> escribió:
>>> >>
>>> >>         This is a short report about the situation on PP-ES:
>>> >>
>>> >>         Our CoA have been "voting" a resolution about the former board
>>> >>         and several infractions they did for four weeks. Those
>>> >>         infractions include that the former secretary and the former
>>> >>         CTO kidnapped the former treasurer mail account, the party's
>>> >>         paypal account and even deleted all secretary account emails,
>>> >>         which were proof of an illegal drop of aprox 450 affiliates.
>>> >>
>>> >>         Now all our CoA have been resigned, and there are new illegal
>>> >>         CoA elections who break 3 entire articles of our statutes
>>> >>         (art. 19.c, 13.c, and 20.b). The former secretary who is
>>> >>         charged of all I've mentioned above is postulated as CoA
>>> >>         president. One of our affiliated just disputed this election
>>> >>         based on above articles plus 7.4 and 8.2, and solicited the
>>> >>         convocation of a new extraordinary assembly of the party.
>>> >>
>>> >>         Have been raised a motion of censure against Daniel Riaño,
>>> >>         actual president of Madrid territorial (and member of the
>>> >>         party's board) because several "strong language" against other
>>> >>         members of the party, members of the Madrid board and members
>>> >>         and work of the CoA. After that, he even showed power abuse on
>>> >>         the last Madrid assembly, using him status as president to
>>> >>         take back some decisions he didn't wanted, using a law that
>>> >>         himself broke when he got the charge (Administrative Procedure
>>> >>         Act, which doesn't allow to set board members at show of hands
>>> >>         which is the way he get the charge with 7 in favor and 4
>>> >>         against it, of 60's Madrid's members). After that he even
>>> >>         refused on an aggressive manner to end the assembly just to
>>> >>         say "I am the president and nothing gets up until I tell"
>>> >>         (I've tried to be as accurate as possible on the translation)
>>> >>         in front of 6 people.
>>> >>
>>> >>         For this motion of censure the party is using a tool made by
>>> >>         the former CTO who helped the former secretary on all (and
>>> >>         more things) I've mentioned on first point. This tool have a
>>> >>         little inconvenient, for it's creator and some members of the
>>> >>         party nothing important, that is that any administrator can
>>> >>         vote as any affiliate, all ballots are served on plain text
>>> >>         via administrator's interface. IMHO this is a serious security
>>> >>         issue, any admin can vote as any affiliate and there is no way
>>> >>         to check what voted who (obviously), and even change the
>>> >>         ballots order to get people voting one option while they think
>>> >>         they are voting another. The creator of this tool, who refuses
>>> >>         to fix the bug, justified telling me that "you can also change
>>> >>         the results on the DB, it's more easy". Several admins are
>>> >>         implicated directly on what is voting. It's planned to use
>>> >>         this tool to vote the new CoA.
>>> >>
>>> >>         Actual secretary, against my advice, deleted several proofs of
>>> >>         Data Protection Act violation, in response to that I told him
>>> >>         that was negligent (concretely I told him that he was crazy
>>> >>         for deleting that), and now he used that email to justify my
>>> >>         expulsion as actual CTO of PP-ES, removing my access and
>>> >>         making it impossible to retrieve any data or proof of law
>>> >>         violation, data which I was giving to the (now former) CoA
>>> >>         (always respecting all points included on Spanish Data
>>> >>         Protection Act) to allow them to investigate all
>>> >>         irregularities and penal illegalities.
>>> >>
>>> >>         This is, broadly, the situation of PP-ES, it can be defined
>>> >>         (from an affiliate point of view) as impotence and frustration
>>> >>         in face of the situation.
>>> >>
>>> >>         Best Regards,
>>> >>         Choms.
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>     ____________________________________________________
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>>> >>
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>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
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>>> --
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Brendan Molloy
>>> Secretary
>>> Pirate Party Australia
>>>
>>> M: +61 449 617 246
>>> W: http://www.pirateparty.org.au
>>> E: brendan.molloy at pirateparty.org.au
>>> T: @piecritic
>>>
>>>
>>> ____________________________________________________
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>>>
>>
>>
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