[pp.int.general] About the situation in Spain
Choms
choms at botmania.net
Wed Apr 4 16:45:19 CEST 2012
FFS, this is the last one, here it can't be removed:
http://www.botmania.net/rs.txt
Cheers and sorry for the multiposting
El 4 de abril de 2012 15:55, Choms <choms at botmania.net> escribió:
> Someone is reporting to get deleted the pastebin, so I've decided to
> change provider, for the sake of transparency: http://text0.tk/645
>
> I hope not to have to repost it anymore, and sorry for the inconvenience.
>
> Cheers
>
> El 4 de abril de 2012 13:34, Choms <choms at botmania.net> escribió:
>
> Some people is telling me that pastebin won't load anymore, idk what
>> happened, but here's the new one: http://pastebin.com/DsZuJRTu
>>
>> About what Brendan said, there's a formal way to do that? This entire
>> thread can be considered as a formal motion.
>>
>> Regards
>>
>>
>> El 4 de abril de 2012 13:29, Brendan Molloy <
>> brendan.molloy at pirateparty.org.au> escribió:
>>
>> I would recommend that any party or member of any party that feels PPES
>>> is acting against the spirit of the Pirate movement that they place a
>>> formal motion to have PPES's membership suspending pending investigation
>>> by the CoA.
>>>
>>> I'm tired of hearing about the bullshit. It's time someone puts in a
>>> formal complaint and it is dealt with in a proper and formal manner.
>>>
>>> Kenneth Peiruza wrote:
>>> > If you are still a member, I can't understand why you don't have right
>>> > to voice and vote ....
>>> >
>>> > This "not all members have right to vote in PP-ES" it's a bit shy...
>>> > (the famous "census" stuff).
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Regards,
>>> >
>>> > Kenneth
>>> >
>>> > Al 04/04/12 12:51, En/na David Arcos ha escrit:
>>> >> Hi,
>>> >>
>>> >> I will just confirm that this voting exists.
>>> >>
>>> >> Cheers,
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 12:43 PM, Choms <choms at botmania.net
>>> >> <mailto:choms at botmania.net>> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> Hi,
>>> >>
>>> >> I've just wanted to add that, due this email, and other fake
>>> >> accusations, PP-ES is voting to expel me.
>>> >>
>>> >> You can read the full list of accusations and my response to all
>>> >> them (sorry, it's in spanish) here: http://pastebin.com/KGmgy0dE
>>> >>
>>> >> The ballot is exactly the same but without my responses, and I
>>> >> have no right on reply nor vote
>>> >>
>>> >> Regards
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> El 23 de marzo de 2012 15:14, Choms <choms at botmania.net
>>> >> <mailto:choms at botmania.net>> escribió:
>>> >>
>>> >> This is a short report about the situation on PP-ES:
>>> >>
>>> >> Our CoA have been "voting" a resolution about the former board
>>> >> and several infractions they did for four weeks. Those
>>> >> infractions include that the former secretary and the former
>>> >> CTO kidnapped the former treasurer mail account, the party's
>>> >> paypal account and even deleted all secretary account emails,
>>> >> which were proof of an illegal drop of aprox 450 affiliates.
>>> >>
>>> >> Now all our CoA have been resigned, and there are new illegal
>>> >> CoA elections who break 3 entire articles of our statutes
>>> >> (art. 19.c, 13.c, and 20.b). The former secretary who is
>>> >> charged of all I've mentioned above is postulated as CoA
>>> >> president. One of our affiliated just disputed this election
>>> >> based on above articles plus 7.4 and 8.2, and solicited the
>>> >> convocation of a new extraordinary assembly of the party.
>>> >>
>>> >> Have been raised a motion of censure against Daniel Riaño,
>>> >> actual president of Madrid territorial (and member of the
>>> >> party's board) because several "strong language" against other
>>> >> members of the party, members of the Madrid board and members
>>> >> and work of the CoA. After that, he even showed power abuse on
>>> >> the last Madrid assembly, using him status as president to
>>> >> take back some decisions he didn't wanted, using a law that
>>> >> himself broke when he got the charge (Administrative Procedure
>>> >> Act, which doesn't allow to set board members at show of hands
>>> >> which is the way he get the charge with 7 in favor and 4
>>> >> against it, of 60's Madrid's members). After that he even
>>> >> refused on an aggressive manner to end the assembly just to
>>> >> say "I am the president and nothing gets up until I tell"
>>> >> (I've tried to be as accurate as possible on the translation)
>>> >> in front of 6 people.
>>> >>
>>> >> For this motion of censure the party is using a tool made by
>>> >> the former CTO who helped the former secretary on all (and
>>> >> more things) I've mentioned on first point. This tool have a
>>> >> little inconvenient, for it's creator and some members of the
>>> >> party nothing important, that is that any administrator can
>>> >> vote as any affiliate, all ballots are served on plain text
>>> >> via administrator's interface. IMHO this is a serious security
>>> >> issue, any admin can vote as any affiliate and there is no way
>>> >> to check what voted who (obviously), and even change the
>>> >> ballots order to get people voting one option while they think
>>> >> they are voting another. The creator of this tool, who refuses
>>> >> to fix the bug, justified telling me that "you can also change
>>> >> the results on the DB, it's more easy". Several admins are
>>> >> implicated directly on what is voting. It's planned to use
>>> >> this tool to vote the new CoA.
>>> >>
>>> >> Actual secretary, against my advice, deleted several proofs of
>>> >> Data Protection Act violation, in response to that I told him
>>> >> that was negligent (concretely I told him that he was crazy
>>> >> for deleting that), and now he used that email to justify my
>>> >> expulsion as actual CTO of PP-ES, removing my access and
>>> >> making it impossible to retrieve any data or proof of law
>>> >> violation, data which I was giving to the (now former) CoA
>>> >> (always respecting all points included on Spanish Data
>>> >> Protection Act) to allow them to investigate all
>>> >> irregularities and penal illegalities.
>>> >>
>>> >> This is, broadly, the situation of PP-ES, it can be defined
>>> >> (from an affiliate point of view) as impotence and frustration
>>> >> in face of the situation.
>>> >>
>>> >> Best Regards,
>>> >> Choms.
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> ____________________________________________________
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>>> >>
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>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
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>>> >
>>> > ____________________________________________________
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>>>
>>> --
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Brendan Molloy
>>> Secretary
>>> Pirate Party Australia
>>>
>>> M: +61 449 617 246
>>> W: http://www.pirateparty.org.au
>>> E: brendan.molloy at pirateparty.org.au
>>> T: @piecritic
>>>
>>>
>>> ____________________________________________________
>>> Pirate Parties International - General Talk
>>> pp.international.general at lists.pirateweb.net
>>> http://lists.pirateweb.net/mailman/listinfo/pp.international.general
>>>
>>
>>
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