[pp.int.general] URGENT: we need your signature

[Anton Nordenfur]

"You could argue that 7 people all agreeing on wanting to do this deal
DO have some form of internal democracy (on the "liquid democracy" page
they say they do liquid democracy in their facebook page)."

Yes, you could. As long as they maintain that democracy, sure.

"You mean the pirate signet is free for use by crooks and PPI is willing
to fail in its proposition to bring forward a worldwide pirate movement
because it can't denounce a political abuse of its symbols?"

I said the contrary - PPI accepts member organisations who have 
internal democracy and who agrees with the political criteria. I would 
be surprised if the PPI was "willing to fail" in anything. I should 
mention by now, though, that I am not a member in the PPI, I'm just an 
informal observer interested in how the PPI works. I don't speak for 
anyone.

"It's not a question of copyright.. it's a question of identity.
We have a right to defend our political identity, anywhere on the 
planet."

"our political identity"? I for one invite anyone to join the Pirate 
Movement, as long as that person or organisation agrees with our 
fundamental values. A hallmark of a good political party is willingness 
to change when confronted with new arguments, and the lack of that is 
something we often criticise in other parties. The movement should 
always be open to new people and new ideas.

Anton

On Fri 21 Dec 2012 03:05:06 PM CET, carlo von lynX wrote:
> On Fri, Dec 21, 2012 at 03:01:00PM +0100, Anton Nordenfur wrote:
>> If they are, however, selling themselves to external sources, they are
>> not having internal democracy and thus they are not fulfilling the
>> criteria for PPI membership. This should become clear to the PPI board
>> if and when this new party applies for PPI membership.
>
> You could argue that 7 people all agreeing on wanting to do this deal
> DO have some form of internal democracy (on the "liquid democracy" page
> they say they do liquid democracy in their facebook page).
>
>> If they do not apply for PPI membership, this is an internal Italian
>> problem and have no place in this mailing list. Either way, the problem
>> solves itself for PPI.
>
> You mean the pirate signet is free for use by crooks and PPI is willing
> to fail in its proposition to bring forward a worldwide pirate movement
> because it can't denounce a political abuse of its symbols?
>
> It's not a question of copyright.. it's a question of identity.
> We have a right to defend our political identity, anywhere on the planet.
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