[pp.int.general] PP IT and Its Non-Democratic Organization

[john dickinson]

Zbrigniew,

Please don't advise me to set a filter if I am not interested. It should be obvious, I am very interested in et al. I will read et al waiting for issues of outside the party to resume.
 
I remain sincerely yours,

John Dickinson

=access           Since 1991   
"Be the change that you want 
to see in the world." 
M. K. Gandhi 



________________________________
 From: Zbigniew Łukasiak <zzbbyy at gmail.com>
To: john dickinson <jrdickinson at yahoo.com>; Pirate Parties International -- General Talk <pp.international.general at lists.pirateweb.net> 
Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2012 11:25 AM
Subject: Re: [pp.int.general] PP IT and Its Non-Democratic Organization
 
On Sat, Dec 22, 2012 at 7:41 PM, john dickinson <jrdickinson at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Dear et al,
>
> Sure, I will reply to this message. This domination of the email list with
> name calling and accusations does nothing to advance the cause of Pirates,
> unless the purpose of this list is to establish the reputation of Pirates as
> bickerers.
> I am new to the party, but I have been a pirate since the '60's, an honest
> pirate in the true definition of the word.
> I joined WAPP, and after two meets decided to form another party. Without
> saying anything disparaging except that I could not say the acronym out
> loud, I wanted to use my resources to get members to the causes that I
> thought were important and urgent. Following this list (I read everything) I
> feel that the important causes have been placed on a shelf to be replaced by
> bickering.
> I formed the Seattle International Pirate Party, and I am embarking to
> encourage towns, communities and neighborhoods to form their own Parties. I
> fly the flag on a half mast, verses the flag flying at half mast, to
> indicate that the cause is above the mast of my thoughts and opinions. I
> don't want to move the flag down so that it flies at half mast and then move
> it out of my life because I might feel embarrassed by the petty/public
> attacks against others. I have a goal to gain 2o,ooo members in the next six
> months.
>
> ? Is there a way to keep the bickering out of the public view? probably not.
> I guess I am just ranting, but perhaps everyone should read Getting To Yes
> before self destruction.

I actually believe that this bickering as you describe it has a
purpose.  The meaning of the word democratic and above all Pirate
Party is far from being obvious and we need to discuss it before we
form something that could be called our consensus.  If we don't reach
a consensus in these matters then sooner or later it will bring
troubles - because you cannot have an organisation without identity
without defining what is acceptable and what is not.

It is true that this discussion could be done in a better looking way
- but it is better when it happens then when it did not, even if that
means this public bickering.  I hope people can set filters to their
mailboxes to filter it out if they are not interested.


--
Zbigniew Lukasiak
http://brudnopis.blogspot.com/
http://perlalchemy.blogspot.com/
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