[pp.int.general] Why the situation in Italy is different and why it matters for #ppint

Sat Dec 22 22:56:21 CET 2012

This is written by me being someone purely from the outside of the 
whole PP It drama. I am not even a member of a party that is a member of 
PPI, so my views of what PPI should and should not do are merely my 
personal reflections. Be that as it may I still think I might have some 
insightful comments that I am willing to share with all on this list. 
Who, as myself, probably considers the numbers of emails regarding 
italian internal disputes being all to scarce on the list.

I will not say that Italy don't matter. I will not say that the italian 
pirate party don't matter. But PPI should not, and can not, interfere 
with the internal strife within or between parties in individual 
countries. That is not the role I think anyone truly want for that 
organisation. I know for a fact that it is not what we in Sweden 
envisioned when we set up the origional PPI-network back in 2006.

I think you all should see this as a test of strenght of the Italian 
pirates. If the old Italian Pirate party manage to rise to the challenge 
and take a firm control of the pirate identity and movement in Italy, 
well, then they deserve their position as representing Italy in PPI. If 
they instead falter and let some other movement (or a splinter from 
their own) sweep in and take over the scene, well then, quite frankly, 
perhaps they were not ment to be the people representing the pirate 
movement in italy. (and if we, undoubtly as it might seem, end up with a 
fascist "pirate" party in italyn at the end of the road we can condemn 
them at that time all the while knowing that at least they weeded out a 
group of pirates that was to easy to push aside).

So italian pirates: get your act together, stop spamming this list and 
go offline and build a movement that can withstand ettempts of identity 
thefts. When you've done that and you have solid results and a firm grip 
of the pirate movement in italy, feel free to inform us here. Until 
then, please tend to your own , apparently pressing, matters at home 
instead of wasting our time with texts about how others should solve 
your problems for you.

If you think that your time is best spent spamming this list with 
replies to whatever email a former member sends to this list, then you 
are truly not fit to run a pirate party in any country. Go out, make a 
difference. And waste less of my time while you do it!

Best regards

Mab
PP SE

On 2012-12-22 22:17, carlo von lynX wrote:
> On Fri, Dec 21, 2012 at 10:32:56AM -0500, Lindsay-Anne Brunner wrote:
>> Listen, it seems like every other week there's a damned problem with 
>> i
>> Pirati Italiani. It's becoming quite ridiculous that these internal
>
> In some countries the Pirates are well-affirmed and there cannot be 
> any
> issues with people trying to steal our identity and "brand" to go 
> vote
> shopping.
>
> In some countries the Pirates are of no major relevance, so there is
> not such a big interest in taking over our brand.
>
> In Italy we are somewhere between 1-3% in surveys, elections are in
> February and there are all kinds of crooks and strange folks trying 
> to
> get a hold on the brand because they all love an easy passage into
> parliament. Since what's in the electoral programme is not of any
> relevance really, they gladly copy & paste from the original, and
> whatever may be criticizable about the PP-IT will gladly be amplified
> no matter if there's any relation to truth or reality to it.
>
> And since the worldwide Pirate movement should not afford losing 
> Italy
> as a partner country, #ppint should be worried and get its act 
> together
> in support. You are welcome to send in observers and learn about our
> democratic process and how it is possible that new admissions to the
> party become opinion leaders within months if they say intelligent
> things and reflect the consensus of the majority.
>
> The idea that the old folks are still in charge is plain wrong. And
> since we went from 15 to 300 in a year I also wouldn't say we're not
> letting people in. We sure aren't efficient at it and that's mostly
> because a membership administration software was promised to us and
> we've been waiting for it for almost a year. That was probably our
> biggest mistake this year, we should have hacked it up in perl and
> not be perfectionists.
>
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