[pp.int.general] EU commission declares protests as being non democratic ?

[Justus Römeth]

Please keep also in mind that we are talking about the same commission that
thinks that public consultation, or a public debate about data retention is
something negative and should be avoided.

As someone who is studying about Europe I see this blatant anti-democratic
doing and arguing as very negative, and something we should be fighting
again. One of the short-to-mid-term goals of the pirate parties in Europe
should be to make the process of how commissioners get elected/chosen more
(direct-) democratic.

On Tue, Feb 21, 2012 at 4:28 PM, Pirat at LennStar.de <pirat at lennstar.de>wrote:

> and part 3: EU-Commission doesn't want legal advise on new version of
> data retention directive to be published (ger)
>
> http://netzpolitik.org/2012/eu-kommission-vorratsdatenspeicherung-zu-sensibel-fur-offentliche-debatte/
>
> LennStar
>
> He, who has nothing to hide, has nothing to fear ;)
>
> Am 21.02.2012 16:20, schrieb Justus Römeth:
> > Even if you interpret it in a positive way ("protests are democratic,
> > some of the goals behind them are not") you have to wonder what exactly
> > they are talking about.
> >
> > On Tue, Feb 21, 2012 at 12:37 PM, Pirat at LennStar.de <pirat at lennstar.de
> > <mailto:pirat at lennstar.de>> wrote:
> >
> >     The story is from iRights and should be true. I asked for the
> protocoll,
> >     their answer was that it was agreed with the "leaker" to only quote
> the
> >     passages.
> >
> http://irights.info/blog/arbeit2.0/2012/02/20/europaische-kommission-halt-acta-protest-fur-teilweise-undemokratisch/
> >
> >     But there was already a few days ago the Music Industry and such
> likes
> >     who framed the protest as an "attack on the democratic institutions
> of
> >     the EU".
> >     So it is no surprise at all hearing the Commission saying basically
> the
> >     same.
> >
> >     Using the term "broad society" when benefitting a few industries
> while
> >     damaging all the others look a bit odd, though ;)
> >
> >     LennStar
> >
> >     Am 21.02.2012 10 <tel:21.02.2012%2010>:27, schrieb Mattias
> Bjärnemalm:
> >     > Google translate is not always good for understanding nuances. But
> >     if I
> >     > read the text correctly the commission doesnt speak about the
> protests
> >     > as being undemocratic, but of the aims of some of the people
> >     behind the
> >     > protests being not democratic ( which is most likely true). The
> >     mention
> >     > of the word undemocratic seems to be from whoever wrote the blog
> post.
> >     >
> >     > But perhaps the translation mixes up things for me?
> >     >
> >     > /Mab
> >     >
> >     >
> >     >
> >     > Pat Maechler aka Valio <pirate at valio.ch <mailto:pirate at valio.ch>>
> >     skrev:
> >     >
> >     >
> >     > can someone deny or confirm this?
> >     >
> >     > according to this story some leaked internal meeting minutes the EU
> >     > commission discusses the European wide protests against ACTA as
> being
> >     > undemocratic...hm....speaking about ACTA...
> >     >
> >     >
> >
> http://translate.google.ch/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Firights.info%2Fblog%2Farbeit2.0%2F2012%2F02%2F20%2Feuropaische-kommission-halt-acta-protest-fur-teilweise-undemokratisch%2F
> >     <
> http://translate.google.ch/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Firights.info%2Fblog%2Farbeit2.0%2F2012%2F02%2F20%2Feuropaische-kommission-halt-acta-protest-fur-teilweise-undemokratisch%2F
> >
> >     >
> >     > given this story is true, it would be a huge "WTF?" for the EU
> >     > commission from my POV
> >     >
> >     > -pat
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