[pp.int.general] European citizens' Initiative - ID requirement & data retention

[Justus Römeth]

Didn't know that, thx Georg.

I guess the whole procedure is a step into the right direction, IDs needed
or not. As usual with the EU it's a step that does not go far enough, and
it is hampered by politicians and authorities trying to harmonize different
practices from their respective country (as a German I dread the moment the
EU decides that 'no tempo limit on certain parts of the highways' is not a
workable solution), but it is a step in the right direction. I think the EU
often does not get the credit it deserves.

Oh well, this is turning into a rambling, so I'll stop. I think with a
strong pirate party in Germany it should be possible to reach the
million threshold as soon as organizations like Bits of Freedom and la
Quadrature du net put their support behind initiatives that go our way, ID
cards or not. At least for the basic stuff like repealing ACTA or data
retention.

On Mon, Jan 9, 2012 at 8:02 PM, Georg Sinn <
georg.sinn at pirates-without-borders.org> wrote:

>  Additionally, Germany recent legislation, introducing the new plastic ID
> cards with biometric data and optional (online) authentication function,
> and implemented several steps to harmonize with European law. Therefore
> German citizens not living in Germany are now able to get a Passport as
> well as an ID card from any issuing authority in Germany (in general the
> embassy of the citizens residential country issued Passports, and only
> these) and since 2012 German embassies can also issue ID cards.
>
> Cheers,
> Georg
>
> Am 09.01.2012 19:48, schrieb Jerry Weyer:
>
> Hi Justus,
>
>  As an expat, if you don't have an ID (and it is necessary to provide an
> ID number to sign a petition) you can still sign the one in your home
> country. There is a possibility to sign online so that should work easily!
>
>  Only thing is, as always with the "fortress" EU: it's limited to EU
> citizens.
>
>  Kind regards,
>
>  Jerry
>
> On Mon, Jan 9, 2012 at 7:40 PM, Justus Römeth <squig at dfpx.de> wrote:
>
>> If you are a German citizen living in another country you simply don't
>> get an ID, just a passport (of course for students abroad this is a small
>> issue as they can just keep being registered at their parents', but one of
>> my friends family moved to Switzerland when she was young, she never owned
>> an ID card (neither in CH nor later in F and NL). So that would certainly
>> be a problem, or are expats now lesser citizens all of a sudden?
>>
>>  On Sat, Jan 7, 2012 at 6:24 PM, Jerry Weyer <weyerjerry at gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>>  Hi Andrew,
>>>
>>>  On Sat, Jan 7, 2012 at 6:12 PM, Andrew Norton <ktetch at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>  UK has the electoral role. It's updated annually, but also includes
>>>> dates of birth (for those that turn 18 within a year of it being
>>>> published), and it's available, unedited, for supervised viewing by
>>>> ANYONE. Or you can buy a copy which doesn't include people that have
>>>> 'opted out'. It's this version that 192.com searches, for instance.
>>>>
>>>
>>>  We have a similar thing.
>>>
>>>
>>>> Other than that, as a brit, I don't really have any ID numbers. I've got
>>>> my driving license (which is the old green EU paper one, not a
>>>> photocard) and a NI card (somewhere) and of course my passport, but of
>>>> these 3 official uk documents, only one is given to all citizens (NI)
>>>> and then only the UK ones. An EU citizen in the UK wouldn't have them.
>>>> (but they'd have their own id stuff, I guess)
>>>>
>>>
>>>  So that's the reason why the UK is one of the countries not having an
>>> ID number requirement :) Thanks or the info! So if the UK can check without
>>> ID I guess other countries can too.
>>>
>>>  Kind regards,
>>>
>>>  Jerry
>>>
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