[pp.int.general] International PP Press Service

Mattias Bjärnemalm mattias.bjarnemalm at piratpartiet.se
Sat Jan 14 18:05:57 CET 2012 

I dont think using PPI infrastructure (what's that btw?) would prevent anyone. But I think that if the project was framed as a PPI project it would make non PPI members less inclined to participate. To me that seems obvious.

I've never met any mistrust towards PPI in the Swedish pp, mainly disinterrest or disappointment. What goes for other pp's I cant say.

Justus Römeth <squig at dfpx.de> skrev:

@ Mattias: Why exactly do you think using PPI infrastructure would prevent parties not happy with PPI from working with that. I would think that as long as the redaction is voluntary and not too connected to PPI that should be enough, shouldn't it? Or do you have the feeling of mistrust towards everybody involved at PPI is so big at those parties?

@ Georg: While I laud your efforts, and it is a very similar goal, I think that is going into a different direction than the original idea on how to achieve that goal.

On Sat, Jan 14, 2012 at 5:06 PM, Georg Sinn <georg.sinn at pirates-without-borders.org> wrote:
Ahoy,

since I am still busy traveling just a short notice from my side:

On our recently introduced redmine at Pirates Without Borders we created a "Project Alexandria"  with the idea to collect interesting publications like documents, pictures and videos and to provide a platform for translations of this material (from native language to english and vice versa).

I also really like the idea of Pirate media websites like http://piratemedia.ru/ or the recently started http://www.piraten-media.de/ where publications have a place to be presented all together.

So maybe a website (with a URI not necessarily affiliated to PPI) could provide such a place to publish english (translated) media from every corner of the world. If it is available something like piratemedia.org or .net may be most suitable.

To bring this to next stage I invite everybody interested in the publication of international Pirate material to register for an account and to join this project (to do so please let me know your username via mail or just add a new issue with access request): http://projects.pirates-without-borders.org/projects/media

Cheers,
Georg 

Am 14.01.2012 um 16:22 schrieb Mattias Bjärnemalm:

I think the suggested idea of a regular newsletter covering the progress and challenges of different pirate parties worldwide is a great one. As I'm working in the EU Parliament with Amelia Andersdotter I can see how such a thing would benefit us in our work. I would also suggest having a separate part about the progress here in eu parl as we here in Brussels are a quite separated entity from the rest of the Swedish pp.

I would also advice against putting the project under ppi-flag or sponsorship as that might discourage pirate parties that have chosen to be outside of the ppi from contributing to the newsletter.

/Mab



Pat Maechler aka Valio <pirate at valio.ch> skrev:


I certainly would love to see it brought to the next level.
Just for short: in case anyone is willing to come forth with a
proposal and would like to have some sort of "official" support,
you're always welcome to bring it to the PPI board meeting (mail to
board[at]pp-international.net) which is taking place every 2nd Tuesday
(next one: 17th January 19:00 CET on mumble
mumble.piratenpartei-nrw.de in room "/international/pirate parties
international/board meeting"). But please formulate it in a clear and
concise way which allows the PPI board to take a decision or at least
express a clear opinion; i.e. we can't force PPI members to do
anything; but
* we can appoint pirates into positions in PPI,
* we can provide a limited amount of technical infrastructure and
* we can publish common statements in the name of PPI (*)

-pat

(*) that is, if they're clearly a pirate movement topic; i.e. we would
hardly hesitate to publish sth about copyright; but probably not so
about basic income or similar, if it's written in a way that could be
interpreted as if this has been established as a common pirate
movement topic; not that I'm a really fierce critic of the basic
income ideal, but I think you get the idea why it would be politically
absolutely not feasible for PPI to publish or do anything in that
direction.

On Sat, Jan 14, 2012 at 2:16 PM, Justus Römeth <squig at dfpx.de> wrote:
> Moin, thanks for your input.
>
> I think it would be better to have a person be responsible for it, (and
> given that person the ability to recruit more people) than one pirate party
> and rotating it every time. If you did not want another person to learn
> everything again every 2 weeks you'd need to compile some basic information
> in a wiki anyways, and if you rotate it you either need volunteers or need
> to force PPs to do it, so I don't see that system working too well. In light
> of that I thought that starting monthly may be better than biweekly, but if
> the team is big enough, or the PPs volunteer enough information I don't see
> a problem with moving it to biweekly from the start. I also think that the
> growth potential is bigger if you have a team doing it a bit more
> independently from other duties they may have in their PP, like other
> translating the whole thing or putting forward a podcast.
> Also, I doubt that some smaller parties can fill an A4 every fortnight with
> news, while I have no doubt Sweden or Germany could fill 10 A4s each.
>
> If I were to organize it I would try to just email every PP (I guess
> updating a list of email addresses of the persons responsible for that alone
> would be quite a task every month) reminding them that they could volunteer
> a story or an update for every 'issue' (for want of a better word), and then
> compile that. But you could also do interviews, or feature how-tos.
>
> In short, I think if we do it as Mozart describes it is too dependent on
> parties volunteering and lacks a responsible person, and is quite limited in
> its growth potential. As a kind of distant goal I could see a new
> organization like Flaschenpost does it in Germany, but for what is going on
> in each and every PP. I do think we have the skills and the manpower for
> that.
>
> We are quite good with translating videos and documents that are motivating
> or good baseworks for ideological development, and we are very good with
> spreading information on things that are relevant internationally (and a lot
> of the things we are fighting for/against are). Let's try to get it to the
> next level and create a feeling of belonging together!
>
> Justus
>
> On Sat, Jan 14, 2012 at 11:47 AM, Pat Maechler aka Valio <pirate at valio.ch>
> wrote:
>>
>> ack; you're probably right with that
>> hardly anyone is willing do that work more than once if it would be
>> just for the sake of being troll-ish or similar
>>
>> On Sat, Jan 14, 2012 at 11:40 AM, Mozart
>> <mozart.palmer at pirateparty.org.au> wrote:
>> > I don't think it has to be that complicated and official. It's merely
>> > just a
>> > heads up to each party that says "this is what we're up to." Probably
>> > the
>> > press officer would take responsibility (or the party could just
>> > delegate
>> > one person to do the write up for that fortnight). Are Pirate Parties
>> > worldwide that childish as to have big disagreements over what is
>> > essentially an internal bulletin? All parties can volunteer: it's not
>> > like
>> > anything is gained from doing it except extra work. The individual
>> > parties
>> > would be responsible for deciding who did the writing or compiling (or
>> > even
>> > individuals could just say "yeah, I'll do it." As I said, there's no
>> > gain to
>> > be got.
>> >
>> > - Mozart.
>> >
>> >
>> > On 14/01/2012, at 9:29 PM, Pat Mächler wrote:
>> >
>> > So you would rather opt for a maximum participation-no safeguard
>> > solution?
>> > Not that I would fight that; I just ask; of course one also has to
>> > accept the possible problems that may come with it.
>> >
>> > Possible safeguards which I did consider
>> > 1) a fixed set of parties that are eligible to volunteer or
>> > 2) people (i.e. press officers) that are officially appointed by
>> > national parties or
>> > 3) someone that is coordinating the whole process overall (e.g.
>> > appointed by PPI GA or board).
>> >
>> > -pat
>> >
>> >
>> > On Sat, Jan 14, 2012 at 10:48 AM, Mozart
>> > <mozart.palmer at pirateparty.org.au> wrote:
>> >
>> > Why not a fortnightly publication with a half an A4 page of information
>> > from
>> >
>> > each Pirate Party? Each fortnight a party could volunteer to format,
>> > edit
>> >
>> > and compile it as a PDF and maybe it could be hosted on PPI or
>> > something? It
>> >
>> > wouldn't be an "official publication," more an internal update, so it
>> >
>> > wouldn't need to be too formal and professional. As long as it was neat.
>> >
>> >
>> > – Mozart (PPAU)
>> >
>> >
>> > On 14/01/2012, at 11:01 AM, Justus Römeth wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> > Ahoi Pirates
>> >
>> >
>> > I'll try to take this into my hands after my thesis, so I might as well
>> >
>> > start the brainstorming now.
>> >
>> >
>> > As written in the other mail (on PPDE reaching 20k+ members) it might be
>> > a
>> >
>> > good idea to start an information service about what is going on in the
>> >
>> > world of the pirate parties. I see this as a way of facilitating news
>> > across
>> >
>> > language barriers (where they seem to stop way too often nowadays) about
>> >
>> > what is going on in each and every pirate party, a way for know-how to
>> > get
>> >
>> > dispersed, to invite to assemblies and meetings and the likes. The idea
>> > is
>> >
>> > basically to strengthen the feeling that the pirate party movement is an
>> >
>> > international community, and can then maybe grow to be more than the
>> > sums of
>> >
>> > it's part. In light of a European election coming up in 2014 that may be
>> > a
>> >
>> > good idea.
>> >
>> >
>> > I am thinking of a newsletter written monthly for now in the PPI list,
>> > and
>> >
>> > maybe published on a blog (or the PPI website if it is deemed important
>> >
>> > enough), giving information on day to day political work of different
>> > pirate
>> >
>> > parties, from a local council in some backwater town in Germany to the
>> >
>> > struggles of pirate parties in Russia, Slowenia, Brazil, Ohio or Marocco
>> > to
>> >
>> > get registered as a nation-/statewide party. At the moment it is quite
>> > hard
>> >
>> > to come by information about what is going on in the different national
>> >
>> > parties if you don't speak the language, and the idea is to provide a
>> > place
>> >
>> > where that is happening in English.
>> >
>> >
>> > Once that is running and we have a few contributors actively fanning out
>> >
>> > through the Internetz to get information on the different parties, and
>> >
>> > people like it well enough, we could go to publishing more frequently,
>> >
>> > translating into other languages, maybe even hosting a podcast, and the
>> >
>> > likes, but that's for the future to see. I think a newsletter every
>> > month
>> >
>> > with stories from 5 to 8 pirate parties is doable.
>> >
>> >
>> > I do like the name 'Message in a Bottle' the German PP-affiliated news
>> >
>> > service has, in English it sounds even better imo. So that would be my
>> > idea
>> >
>> > for a name, but I am up for other ideas. When I get bored over my thesis
>> >
>> > over the following weeks I'll try to spread the information a bit
>> > further.
>> >
>> > For now I am interested in your input.
>> >
>> >
>> > So to summarize: What do you think about the idea of having a newsletter
>> >
>> > (that may grow into a news service with blog and so on) in English about
>> >
>> > what is going on in the different pirate parties. Do you think this is a
>> >
>> > good tool to foster something like an international community, to
>> > support
>> >
>> > PPI and PWB so to say? Would you be willing to maybe come up with an
>> > article
>> >
>> > every other month to help the service about what is going on in your PP?
>> >
>> >
>> > Cheers
>> >
>> > Justus
>> >
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>> >
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>> >
>> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>> >
>> > Mozart Palmer
>> >
>> > Head of Media Relations
>> >
>> > Pirate Party Australia
>> >
>> > Ph: 0415 152 765
>> >
>> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
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>> > Pirate Party Australia
>> > Ph: 0415 152 765
>> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
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