[pp.int.general] Global heating: 2 degrees of heating is 16 years away

[Gijs Overvliet]

At the end of the day, the climate debate will force me, as a citizen, to
change my life. Before I accept that, I should be convinced that whatever
measures are taken are the best for me personally. And yes, in that respect
I am a selfish bastard.

When the pirates address this issue, I as a pirate will be required to
defend that issue. Which, at present, I can not.

The best way to convince me is to debate Christopher Monckton and win (or
have the scientists debate him). And don't start with "Christopher Monckton
is just...", because that is character assassination, which is a logical
fallacy and therefore an invalid argument. Besides, if he is a nutcase, the
debate should be won quite easily. Also, the before mentioned "99% of the
scientists agree" is an appeal to authority, which is also a logical
fallacy and therefore invalid. "Let's not fiddle...", the debate will
probably require a few weeks to set up, from the skeptics side, so no harm
there. And it will give some nice talking points, which could be used to
form the official Pirate viewpoint.

When Christopher Monckton has been defeated in debate (and I don't care who
defeats him, just as long as the topic is climate change), I will believe
the climate change story again. But until then, I think the "fossil fuel
burning -> CO2 -> climate change -> end of the world" story should be
avoided.

Gijs

2012/7/23 Antonio Garcia <ningunotro at hotmail.com>

>  I've got a one size-fits-all general theory (this is one single world,
> one entity, after all, there must be an all-encompassing explanation) that
> thus far has performed remarcably well at interpreting the most
> diferentiated facts.
>
> But, of course, I'm not a majority, and its necessary complexity inhibits
> convincing a majority the easy way...
>
> The "one very knowledgeable guy" scenario does not seem to be very
> viable... considering the actual evolution of most pirate musings
> everywhere, and 15M-DRY-Indignado-Occupy thought processes.
>
>
> Antonio García
> PP-ES
>
> ------------------------------
> Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2012 17:29:02 +0300
> From: teirdes at gmail.com
>
> To: pp.international.general at lists.pirateweb.net
> Subject: Re: [pp.int.general] Global heating: 2 degrees of heating is 16
> years away
>
> i don't understand why instead we would not enter the raw materials issue.
> it is directly connected with information policy and has huge environmental
> impact in europe and abroad. the greens are in it from a different
> perspective, which is saving the trees, where our perspective would be
> making a sustainable information technology innovation, production and
> maintenance.
>
> rare earth elements, cupper, other types of raw materials extraction.
> these are really big issues for the european union and most of the member
> states. they also have a big impact on which innovation patterns we
> exhibit. it entails the careful balancing of corporate interests with
> respect to that of small and medium-sized enterprises as well as towards
> citizens, NGOs and the environment. someone could become very knowledgeable
> on this topic on behalf of the pirates, rather than us chasing around after
> an issue which is anyway the politically most chased at this time.
>
> best regards,
>
> a
>
> Pe 23.07.2012 16:11, Kenneth Peiruza a scris:
>
> The greens ran over our core issues, the only thing we have and they miss
> is 'direct/liquid democracy'.
>
>  However, most pirate parties defend human rights as well. If you can't
> live in your country because to global warming or severe enviromental
> issues, IMO, that must be a topic of the pirate parties in every affected
> country.
>
>
>
> Salut!
>
> Dario <i at dario.im> <i at dario.im> escribió:
> 2012/7/23 Kenneth Peiruza <kenneth at pirata.cat>
>
> -1
>
>  Global warming is a fact, Spanish desertified/arid zones have doubled,
> from 25 to 50% in 20 years, and if you get UN to agree with greenpeace in
> anything, that is because there is already too much evidence.
>
>  Skeptics about man-driven global warming exist in internet forums and
> mailing lists. Scientists agree in a 99%. There's more believers in
> creationism.
>
>
>
> Agreed. Next question: what we can do from a pirate POV without being a
> Green spin-off?
>
> PS: Richard, I have pending to write about Wombat Voting System. Sorry for
> the delay!
>
> --
> Dario Castañé
> http://www.dario.im | http://twitter.com/im_dario
>
>
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