[pp.int.general] Global heating: 2 degrees of heating is 16 years away

[Gijs Overvliet]

What does a need to conceal military installations have to do with global
conscientiousness on climate change?

For the record, I am a huge proponent of renewable energies. Even though my
motivation has absolutely nothing to do with the environment.

2012/7/27 Anouk Neeteson <jakobsheep at gmail.com>

> no global conscientiousness >> no global solutions >> politics & lobbying
> >> more problems
>
> It IS that simple, only your (as in everybody) unwillingness to
> conceptualise it prevents all progress >> politics >> disaster
>
> On 27 July 2012 13:33, Gijs Overvliet <govervliet at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> "There is no need to conceal military installations. "
>>
>> What gives you the credit to make such a definite claim? Forgive me for
>> doubting the fact that you are in a position to make such strategic
>> military decisions.
>>
>>
>> 2012/7/27 Cal. <peppecal at gmail.com>
>>
>>>
>>> Il giorno 27/lug/2012 10:43, "Antonio Garcia" <ningunotro at hotmail.com>
>>> ha scritto:
>>>
>>> >
>>> > The "green" selling effort of the nuclear-power-industry has nothing
>>> to do with CO2 blame, what they are after is that there is but one way to
>>> conceal a military nuclear facility... the radiation noise of a civil
>>> nuclear facility. Thus they need the civil application to survive... if
>>> they want to be able to conceal the military one.
>>>
>>> There is no need to conceal military installations.
>>>
>>> > In some way, CO2 proficiency is used only as an useful excuse (in this
>>> context), just as combating child porn is the useful excuse in the war on
>>> control of the internet.
>>>
>>> This seems paranoid. Isn't CO2 bad anymore?
>>>
>>> > This would be of course in the interest of the few TOP LEVEL Competing
>>> ELITES.
>>> >
>>> > Fighting pollution this way does not only allow them to provide civil
>>> nuclear facilities behind which to hide their military nuclear
>>> installations... it also allows them to exert pressure on the new emerging
>>> economies that can only compete with "dirty" energy because they have no
>>> access to the latest clean technology... and there we connect with the
>>> Intellectual Propery (both copyright and patent) term extension and
>>> enforcement efforts that try to extend our advantage in time.
>>>
>>> Military technology is not just intellectual property, with great power
>>> comes great responsibility, do we want north korea to bomb us? I guess
>>> there would be no problem in making those infos public, but the main goal
>>> should be to develop non-that-military tech, like thorium. Or ITER, and so
>>> on...
>>>
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Antonio García
>>> > PP-ES
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > From: Gregory.Engels at piratenpartei-hessen.de
>>> > Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2012 10:21:43 +0200
>>> > To: rms at gnu.org; pp.international.general at lists.pirateweb.net
>>>
>>> >
>>> > Subject: Re: [pp.int.general] Global heating: 2 degrees of heating is
>>> 16 years away
>>> >
>>> > On 23.07.2012, at 05:42, Richard Stallman wrote:
>>> >
>>> > >    The whole global warming thing is at least dubious.
>>> > >
>>> > > Not according to real climate scientists.  That "doubt" is FUD
>>> > > intended to convince people to take no action.
>>> >
>>> > And in whose interested would this be? In contrast there were
>>> > proven reports that nuclear-power-industry have invested a
>>> > lot in research proving that CO2 is to blame on the coming end
>>> > of the world as we know it, in order to build more nuclear power
>>> > plants, selling them as "green", as they emit zero CO2.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Gregory Engels
>>> > International Coordinator
>>> > Pirate Party of Germany
>>> >
>>> > mobile: +49 172 853 44 91
>>> > skype:gregory.engels
>>> > jabber:dichter at jabber.piratenpartei.de
>>> > my free time: https://tungle.me/dichter
>>>
>>> >
>>> >
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