[pp.int.general] Global heating: 2 degrees of heating is 16 years away

[Mozart Olbrycht-Palmer]

It's being suggested that global warming is being used to justify more  
nuclear energy, and therefore hidden nuclear weapons facilities as a  
result. Hence why the US gets upset when a non-Western country  
declares they are investing in a nuclear energy program.

At any rate, this debate has been going on for way too long. I stopped  
paying real attention a long time ago. Surely it is up to each  
individual Pirate Party to determine their own environmental policy if  
they want one?

It'd be great to let the debate rest for a while…

On 27/07/2012, at 10:36 PM, Gijs Overvliet wrote:

> What does a need to conceal military installations have to do with  
> global conscientiousness on climate change?
>
> For the record, I am a huge proponent of renewable energies. Even  
> though my motivation has absolutely nothing to do with the  
> environment.
>
> 2012/7/27 Anouk Neeteson <jakobsheep at gmail.com>
> no global conscientiousness >> no global solutions >> politics &  
> lobbying >> more problems
>
> It IS that simple, only your (as in everybody) unwillingness to  
> conceptualise it prevents all progress >> politics >> disaster
>
> On 27 July 2012 13:33, Gijs Overvliet <govervliet at gmail.com> wrote:
> "There is no need to conceal military installations. "
>
> What gives you the credit to make such a definite claim? Forgive me  
> for doubting the fact that you are in a position to make such  
> strategic military decisions.
>
>
> 2012/7/27 Cal. <peppecal at gmail.com>
>
> Il giorno 27/lug/2012 10:43, "Antonio Garcia"  
> <ningunotro at hotmail.com> ha scritto:
>
>
> >
> > The "green" selling effort of the nuclear-power-industry has  
> nothing to do with CO2 blame, what they are after is that there is  
> but one way to conceal a military nuclear facility... the radiation  
> noise of a civil nuclear facility. Thus they need the civil  
> application to survive... if they want to be able to conceal the  
> military one.
>
> There is no need to conceal military installations.
>
> > In some way, CO2 proficiency is used only as an useful excuse (in  
> this context), just as combating child porn is the useful excuse in  
> the war on control of the internet.
>
> This seems paranoid. Isn't CO2 bad anymore?
>
> > This would be of course in the interest of the few TOP LEVEL  
> Competing ELITES.
> >
> > Fighting pollution this way does not only allow them to provide  
> civil nuclear facilities behind which to hide their military nuclear  
> installations... it also allows them to exert pressure on the new  
> emerging economies that can only compete with "dirty" energy because  
> they have no access to the latest clean technology... and there we  
> connect with the Intellectual Propery (both copyright and patent)  
> term extension and enforcement efforts that try to extend our  
> advantage in time.
>
> Military technology is not just intellectual property, with great  
> power comes great responsibility, do we want north korea to bomb us?  
> I guess there would be no problem in making those infos public, but  
> the main goal should be to develop non-that-military tech, like  
> thorium. Or ITER, and so on...
>
> >
> >
> > Antonio García
> > PP-ES
> >
> >
> >
> > From: Gregory.Engels at piratenpartei-hessen.de
> > Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2012 10:21:43 +0200
> > To: rms at gnu.org; pp.international.general at lists.pirateweb.net
>
>
> >
> > Subject: Re: [pp.int.general] Global heating: 2 degrees of heating  
> is 16 years away
> >
> > On 23.07.2012, at 05:42, Richard Stallman wrote:
> >
> > >    The whole global warming thing is at least dubious.
> > >
> > > Not according to real climate scientists.  That "doubt" is FUD
> > > intended to convince people to take no action.
> >
> > And in whose interested would this be? In contrast there were
> > proven reports that nuclear-power-industry have invested a
> > lot in research proving that CO2 is to blame on the coming end
> > of the world as we know it, in order to build more nuclear power
> > plants, selling them as "green", as they emit zero CO2.
> >
> >
> > Gregory Engels
> > International Coordinator
> > Pirate Party of Germany
> >
> > mobile: +49 172 853 44 91
> > skype:gregory.engels
> > jabber:dichter at jabber.piratenpartei.de
> > my free time: https://tungle.me/dichter
>
> >
> >
> >
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