[pp.int.general] Global heating: 2 degrees of heating is 16 years away

Kenneth Peiruza kenneth at pirata.cat
Sat Jul 28 05:27:44 CEST 2012


This is not completly accurate.

Malaysia, Thailand, Morocco, Argelia... all they are investing in
nuclear power plants, so, they have a nuclear program.

The US goes nuts when somebody builds centrifugation facilities (AKA
uranium enrichment plants).

Regards,

Kenneth

Al 27/07/12 14:53, En/na Mozart Olbrycht-Palmer ha escrit:
> It's being suggested that global warming is being used to justify more
> nuclear energy, and therefore hidden nuclear weapons facilities as a
> result. Hence why the US gets upset when a non-Western country
> declares they are investing in a nuclear energy program.
>
> At any rate, this debate has been going on for way too long. I stopped
> paying real attention a long time ago. Surely it is up to each
> individual Pirate Party to determine their own environmental policy if
> they want one?
>
> It'd be great to let the debate rest for a while...
>
> On 27/07/2012, at 10:36 PM, Gijs Overvliet wrote:
>
>> What does a need to conceal military installations have to do with
>> global conscientiousness on climate change?
>>
>> For the record, I am a huge proponent of renewable energies. Even
>> though my motivation has absolutely nothing to do with the environment.
>>
>> 2012/7/27 Anouk Neeteson <jakobsheep at gmail.com
>> <mailto:jakobsheep at gmail.com>>
>>
>>     no global conscientiousness >> no global solutions >> politics &
>>     lobbying >> more problems
>>
>>     It IS that simple, only your (as in everybody) unwillingness to
>>     conceptualise it prevents all progress >> politics >> disaster
>>
>>     On 27 July 2012 13:33, Gijs Overvliet <govervliet at gmail.com
>>     <mailto:govervliet at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>>         "There is no need to conceal military installations. "
>>
>>         What gives you the credit to make such a definite claim?
>>         Forgive me for doubting the fact that you are in a position
>>         to make such strategic military decisions.
>>
>>
>>         2012/7/27 Cal. <peppecal at gmail.com <mailto:peppecal at gmail.com>>
>>
>>
>>             Il giorno 27/lug/2012 10:43, "Antonio Garcia"
>>             <ningunotro at hotmail.com <mailto:ningunotro at hotmail.com>>
>>             ha scritto:
>>
>>
>>             >
>>             > The "green" selling effort of the
>>             nuclear-power-industry has nothing to do with CO2 blame,
>>             what they are after is that there is but one way to
>>             conceal a military nuclear facility... the radiation
>>             noise of a civil nuclear facility. Thus they need the
>>             civil application to survive... if they want to be able
>>             to conceal the military one.
>>
>>             There is no need to conceal military installations.
>>
>>             > In some way, CO2 proficiency is used only as an useful
>>             excuse (in this context), just as combating child porn is
>>             the useful excuse in the war on control of the internet.
>>
>>             This seems paranoid. Isn't CO2 bad anymore?
>>
>>             > This would be of course in the interest of the few TOP
>>             LEVEL Competing ELITES.
>>             >
>>             > Fighting pollution this way does not only allow them to
>>             provide civil nuclear facilities behind which to hide
>>             their military nuclear installations... it also allows
>>             them to exert pressure on the new emerging economies that
>>             can only compete with "dirty" energy because they have no
>>             access to the latest clean technology... and there we
>>             connect with the Intellectual Propery (both copyright and
>>             patent) term extension and enforcement efforts that try
>>             to extend our advantage in time.
>>
>>             Military technology is not just intellectual property,
>>             with great power comes great responsibility, do we want
>>             north korea to bomb us? I guess there would be no problem
>>             in making those infos public, but the main goal should be
>>             to develop non-that-military tech, like thorium. Or ITER,
>>             and so on...
>>
>>             >
>>             >
>>             > Antonio García
>>             > PP-ES
>>             >
>>             >
>>             >
>>             > From: Gregory.Engels at piratenpartei-hessen.de
>>             <mailto:Gregory.Engels at piratenpartei-hessen.de>
>>             > Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2012 10:21:43 +0200
>>             > To: rms at gnu.org <mailto:rms at gnu.org>;
>>             pp.international.general at lists.pirateweb.net
>>             <mailto:pp.international.general at lists.pirateweb.net>
>>
>>
>>             >
>>             > Subject: Re: [pp.int.general] Global heating: 2 degrees
>>             of heating is 16 years away
>>             >
>>             > On 23.07.2012, at 05:42, Richard Stallman wrote:
>>             > 
>>             > >    The whole global warming thing is at least dubious.
>>             > >
>>             > > Not according to real climate scientists.  That
>>             "doubt" is FUD
>>             > > intended to convince people to take no action.
>>             > 
>>             > And in whose interested would this be? In contrast
>>             there were
>>             > proven reports that nuclear-power-industry have invested a
>>             > lot in research proving that CO2 is to blame on the
>>             coming end
>>             > of the world as we know it, in order to build more
>>             nuclear power
>>             > plants, selling them as "green", as they emit zero CO2.
>>             > 
>>             > 
>>             > Gregory Engels
>>             > International Coordinator
>>             > Pirate Party of Germany
>>             > 
>>             > mobile: +49 172 853 44 91 <tel:%2B49%20172%20853%2044%2091>
>>             > skype:gregory.engels
>>             > jabber:dichter at jabber.piratenpartei.de
>>             <mailto:jabber%3Adichter at jabber.piratenpartei.de>
>>             > my free time: https://tungle.me/dichter
>>
>>             > 
>>             >
>>             >
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