[pp.int.general] Towards a Pirate Policy on Environmental Issues

[Michel Gallant]

What
On Jul 29, 2012 1:58 PM, <thijs.markus at piratenpartij.nl> wrote:

> Wtfffffffffffffffffffffffffffuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu
>
> We are not the greens. The greens are the greens. We are the pirate party,
> we do all sort of cool things with knowledge, like ensuring democratic
> values, helping people help themselves by ensuring their access to
> knowledge, and many other things.
>
> You see, when we start getting idealistic about the trees and the birds
> and the bees, the point is not far off where we stop to judge things to the
> best of our knowledge. Because it might just be so that the trees and the
> birds and the bees are not that terribly relevant; and where would that
> leave our happy thoughts about this wonderfull planet so full of life and
> diversity?
>
> Environmentalism is just another dipshit ideology in the end, and we're
> trying to stay above that. We should be guided by knowledge rather than the
> urge to think something is so valuable it cannot be wrong, like god, or the
> trees or whatever stupid thing you need to feel your life has a point to
> it. [spoiler: life does not, it only has the point you give it, so pick
> better than this hmm k?]
>
> There, now we cleared that up, carry on.
>
> On Sun, 29 Jul 2012 19:35:31 +0200, Kenneth Peiruza <kenneth at pirata.cat>
> wrote:
> > In my personal opinion, we could extend our principles in a similar way
> > as we do in copyright and patents: citizens first, not corporate
> profits.
> >
> > That doesn't mean that we're commies or anything like that. It just
> > means that we don't put economic profit in front of citizen's rights and
> > welfare.
> >
> > So, some random ideas:
> >
> > - Ending with free-trade//increase-taxation of:
> >    - Goods that aren't produced under conditions compatible with those
> > required in countries like EU. (i.e. ban/increase-taxes of products made
> > with Cl2 obtained with mercury cells, forbidden in all western countries
> > for it's environmental impact).
> >    - Goods produced in inhumane work conditions (safety, working hours
> > and so on)
> > - Reduce taxes on everything which has a positive impact on environment,
> > health or work conditions.
> >
> >
> > So, what is good for the people, might be cheaper, and what's harmful,
> > might be punished. That would also pressure corps to stop producing
> > offshore to avoid the strict regulations of countries like the EU.
> >
> > And more specific about the environment, what about agreeing that
> > there's too much CO2 (global warming, acidification of oceans and so on)
> > and then pushing forward energy efficiency and green and renewable
> > energies?
> >
> > That is also positive for energy sovereignty of every country, making us
> > less dependent of oil-speculators and wars for oil and gas (thus saving
> > trillions in our military expenditure).
> >
> > This isn't a green's party policy, it's just a slice of their program,
> > but the slice which almost everyone might be able to agree.
> >
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Kenneth
> > Al 29/07/12 19:14, En/na Torbjörn Wester ha escrit:
> >> Cheers to everybody, this being my first mail to this list.
> >>
> >> I'm interested in your opinions on what different standpoints would be
> >> appropriate and relevant when it comes to developing a Pirate Policy on
> >> environmental issues.
> >>
> >> Right now we don't have very much to say on this topic, at least when
> it
> >> comes to the Swedish Pirate Party. Of course we are opposed to the
> >> inhibiting effects of patents on "green tech", but that is quite
> limited
> >> as
> >> an environmental policy.
> >>
> >> What would be a functional Pirate perspective on environment issues?
> (1)
> >> What environmental challenges are to be primarily prioritized? (2) What
> >> solutions would we prefer to said challenges?
> >>
> >> Best Regards,
> >> Torbjörn Wester
> >> Board Member, Swedish Pirate Party
> >>
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