[pp.int.general] PPI board meeting minutes and some updates about the conference

Sun Mar 4 15:05:49 CET 2012

Please, as a catalan and spanish pirate (although not being member of
PP-ES), I ask you both to stop. It is hard to see how the country-wide
pirate party has been sinking for the last two years (I wasn't before so
I'm not gonna go further) but it sucks harder to see how we argue.

It is obvious that there is something wrong in PP-ES. I won't tell what
because I'm a distant point of view but there is. Not being able to keep up
with elections is a symptom of something you must fix. I know you are
working on it, I trust on whatever you and any member of PP-ES says in any
list, but it is also true that the same is said since some years. That is
what I see and I'm kind of neutral because I have no interest into
torpedoing ourselves with lame fights.

I hope you can fix PP-ES. Just an idea: you have a centralization issue. As
you know: "el que mucho abarca, poco aprieta" ;) For those non-spanish, who
tries to reach to everything, finally they get nothing.

Dario Castañé

El 4 de marzo de 2012 14:30, Daniel Riaño <danielrr2 at gmail.com> escribió:

> I'll keep it short, to avoid annoying the rest of the list with Kenneth
> Peiruza's issues with the Spanish PP. If there is really an investigation
> going on of the sort he say, then he knows more than I do about the
> functioning of my party, and I am a member of the directive board. I know a
> friend of Peiruza's is trying to push an investigation with such rubbish,
> but to my knowledge it remains to be seen if it is taken in account at all.
> I do know what I do, and I did not an initiative of the kind he mentions.
> It is not that I am for or against it. It simply never happened.
>
> Kenneth has a long record of false accusations, wrongful assertions and
> mean innuendos against PP ES and its members and, when called out to
> clarify the evidence behind his words, he doesn't feel obliged to
> substantiate his sayings, which is one of the reasons I firmly hold him as
> a unreliable cantankerous liar.
>
> I do feel sorry that his party has never produced a public note detaching
> themselves, as a party, from such raucous individual, who is constantly
> torpedoing the relations between PP CAT and PP ES, and now is trying
> fortune in Galicia as well.
>
> I'll stop it here This has nothing to do with the PPI, and I have a life
> to live.
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Daniel
>
>
>
> 2012/3/4 Kenneth Peiruza <kenneth at pirata.cat>
>
>>  Please Daniel, avoid sending me emails. You're being investigated to be
>> punished for your lack of respect to your fellas in your own party...
>>
>> You pushed an initiative in your own party to push away any double
>> affiliates... the only two pirates not double-affiliates in Catalonia were
>> an insane guy who was pushed away from most PP-ES and PP-CAT mailing lists
>> (and died 4 months ago), and your mate at former's PP-ES bureau who spied
>> the treasurer's email, made a nasty job with your nowadays untrustable
>> census and torpedoed any kind of agreement btw PP-CAT and PP-ES whilst he
>> was the "official contact". He even sent to trash most emails asking for
>> cooperation/agreement sent by David Arcos.
>>
>> If that is your "arm" in Catalonia, lemme suggest you to dissolve it.
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Kenneth
>>
>>
>>
>> On 02/03/12 20:27, Daniel Riaño wrote:
>>
>> 2012/3/2 Kenneth Peiruza <kenneth at pirata.cat>
>>
>>> If you (pp-es) decide to create an association in catalonia, as your
>>> local tentacle... Do you realize that this will be seen as an aggression by
>>> most pp-cat members, do you? if that's your plan, lets stop wasting time
>>> and let's start a war right now.
>>> pir
>>>
>> Waw!  Is it like this among you...? I mean, you say "Waaaaar" and all the
>> Catalans put their helmets on and take their grandfathers' guns, and rumble
>> the streets. feeew! amazing, to say the least.
>>
>> Sadly this is not like this here in PP ES. In fact, the Catalan arm of
>> Pirata (we prefer the word arm to tentacle, you see) existed *before* the
>> so called PP CAT and nobody went to war when part of the catalan affiliates
>> went their Catalan way (many of them having a double affiliation still
>> now). So soft are we nowadays.
>>
>> Daniel
>>
>>
>>>
>>>  And about fixing pp-es statutes... I've heard that song of 'getting
>>> close' for 3 years so far... I remember you that you need a general
>>> assembly to change so, with a 90% qourum... Stop daydreaming, you'll never
>>> reach that qourum until there's only 3 members :(
>>>
>>>  Regards,
>>>
>>>  Kenneth
>>>
>>>
>>> Eduardo Perdices <edupergar at gmail.com> escribió:
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> On Fri, Mar 2, 2012 at 2:24 PM, Kenneth Peiruza <kenneth at pirata.cat>wrote:
>>>
>>>>  Hi Justus,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ...
>>>>
>>>> PP-ES has had several internal issues in the last years... It looked
>>>> like its new bureau was fixing it, but suddenly* it fucked up and got
>>>> frozen again.*.. Sadly, PP-ES hasn't taken profit of its potentiality
>>>> since 2006.
>>>>
>>>
>>> This is not true, we are changing our statutes right now, in fact, I'm
>>> doint it myself.
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  PP-CAT and PP-GAL are pushing for a Pirate Confederation in Spain, to
>>>> define basic rules for common candidatures (like EU parliament's one),
>>>> where PP-ES can have federated regional parties like Madrid, Andalucia or
>>>> whoever wants, whilst others can choose to become members of the
>>>> confederation, being PP-ES itself one of the confederation members.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Chance of confederating with other PPI members is already included on
>>> our new statutes, we just need to approve it in about 3 months. Besides,
>>> the rest of regions are not going to be federated regional parties, but
>>> associations inside PP-ES.
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>  However, internal work in PP-ES is terribly slow, thus, if we can't
>>>> agree something before PPI's GA, we will probably propose an statute
>>>> modification, changing "country" for "territory", so, PP-CAT and PP-GAL
>>>> would be able to achieve full membership status.
>>>>
>>>
>>> On summer our new statutes will be ready, there is no need to change
>>> anything.
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>  This modification would ease the integration of parties PP-CAT and
>>>> PP-GAL into PPI, by PP-ES confirming that it's not going to present
>>>> candidatures/lead activity in these territories, and easing the admission
>>>> of new PPI members in places like Palestine, Turkish-Kurdistan, Irak's
>>>> Kurdistan and so on, which lack a state but have completely independent
>>>> politics of Israel, Turkey or Irak.
>>>>
>>>
>>> If we are confederated with PP-CAT and PP-GAL we will have activity in
>>> these territories because we will have associations there, but we will
>>> collaborate with PP-GAL and PP-CAT and we won't present candidatures there
>>> alone.
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>  Would you like/support such a statute modification?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Best regards,
>>>>
>>>> Kenneth Peiruza
>>>> Pirates de Catalunya
>>>> http://pirata.cat
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Bye.
>>>
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