[pp.int.general] PPI board meeting minutes and some updates about the conference

Sun Mar 4 15:25:01 CET 2012

I already stop, and any effort from your part not to keep bringing your
political party issues to this list will be most appreciated by all, I
think.

2012/3/4 Dario <i at dario.im>

> Please, as a catalan and spanish pirate (although not being member of
> PP-ES), I ask you both to stop. It is hard to see how the country-wide
> pirate party has been sinking for the last two years (I wasn't before so
> I'm not gonna go further) but it sucks harder to see how we argue.
>
> It is obvious that there is something wrong in PP-ES. I won't tell what
> because I'm a distant point of view but there is. Not being able to keep up
> with elections is a symptom of something you must fix. I know you are
> working on it, I trust on whatever you and any member of PP-ES says in any
> list, but it is also true that the same is said since some years. That is
> what I see and I'm kind of neutral because I have no interest into
> torpedoing ourselves with lame fights.
>
> I hope you can fix PP-ES. Just an idea: you have a centralization issue.
> As you know: "el que mucho abarca, poco aprieta" ;) For those non-spanish,
> who tries to reach to everything, finally they get nothing.
>
> Dario Castañé
>
> El 4 de marzo de 2012 14:30, Daniel Riaño <danielrr2 at gmail.com> escribió:
>
> I'll keep it short, to avoid annoying the rest of the list with Kenneth
>> Peiruza's issues with the Spanish PP. If there is really an investigation
>> going on of the sort he say, then he knows more than I do about the
>> functioning of my party, and I am a member of the directive board. I know a
>> friend of Peiruza's is trying to push an investigation with such rubbish,
>> but to my knowledge it remains to be seen if it is taken in account at all.
>> I do know what I do, and I did not an initiative of the kind he mentions.
>> It is not that I am for or against it. It simply never happened.
>>
>> Kenneth has a long record of false accusations, wrongful assertions and
>> mean innuendos against PP ES and its members and, when called out to
>> clarify the evidence behind his words, he doesn't feel obliged to
>> substantiate his sayings, which is one of the reasons I firmly hold him as
>> a unreliable cantankerous liar.
>>
>> I do feel sorry that his party has never produced a public note detaching
>> themselves, as a party, from such raucous individual, who is constantly
>> torpedoing the relations between PP CAT and PP ES, and now is trying
>> fortune in Galicia as well.
>>
>> I'll stop it here This has nothing to do with the PPI, and I have a life
>> to live.
>>
>> Best wishes,
>>
>> Daniel
>>
>>
>>
>> 2012/3/4 Kenneth Peiruza <kenneth at pirata.cat>
>>
>>>  Please Daniel, avoid sending me emails. You're being investigated to be
>>> punished for your lack of respect to your fellas in your own party...
>>>
>>> You pushed an initiative in your own party to push away any double
>>> affiliates... the only two pirates not double-affiliates in Catalonia were
>>> an insane guy who was pushed away from most PP-ES and PP-CAT mailing lists
>>> (and died 4 months ago), and your mate at former's PP-ES bureau who spied
>>> the treasurer's email, made a nasty job with your nowadays untrustable
>>> census and torpedoed any kind of agreement btw PP-CAT and PP-ES whilst he
>>> was the "official contact". He even sent to trash most emails asking for
>>> cooperation/agreement sent by David Arcos.
>>>
>>> If that is your "arm" in Catalonia, lemme suggest you to dissolve it.
>>>
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Kenneth
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 02/03/12 20:27, Daniel Riaño wrote:
>>>
>>> 2012/3/2 Kenneth Peiruza <kenneth at pirata.cat>
>>>
>>>> If you (pp-es) decide to create an association in catalonia, as your
>>>> local tentacle... Do you realize that this will be seen as an aggression by
>>>> most pp-cat members, do you? if that's your plan, lets stop wasting time
>>>> and let's start a war right now.
>>>> pir
>>>>
>>> Waw!  Is it like this among you...? I mean, you say "Waaaaar" and all
>>> the Catalans put their helmets on and take their grandfathers' guns, and
>>> rumble the streets. feeew! amazing, to say the least.
>>>
>>> Sadly this is not like this here in PP ES. In fact, the Catalan arm of
>>> Pirata (we prefer the word arm to tentacle, you see) existed *before* the
>>> so called PP CAT and nobody went to war when part of the catalan affiliates
>>> went their Catalan way (many of them having a double affiliation still
>>> now). So soft are we nowadays.
>>>
>>> Daniel
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>  And about fixing pp-es statutes... I've heard that song of 'getting
>>>> close' for 3 years so far... I remember you that you need a general
>>>> assembly to change so, with a 90% qourum... Stop daydreaming, you'll never
>>>> reach that qourum until there's only 3 members :(
>>>>
>>>>  Regards,
>>>>
>>>>  Kenneth
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Eduardo Perdices <edupergar at gmail.com> escribió:
>>>> Hello,
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Mar 2, 2012 at 2:24 PM, Kenneth Peiruza <kenneth at pirata.cat>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>  Hi Justus,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ...
>>>>>
>>>>> PP-ES has had several internal issues in the last years... It looked
>>>>> like its new bureau was fixing it, but suddenly* it fucked up and got
>>>>> frozen again.*.. Sadly, PP-ES hasn't taken profit of its potentiality
>>>>> since 2006.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> This is not true, we are changing our statutes right now, in fact, I'm
>>>> doint it myself.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>  PP-CAT and PP-GAL are pushing for a Pirate Confederation in Spain, to
>>>>> define basic rules for common candidatures (like EU parliament's one),
>>>>> where PP-ES can have federated regional parties like Madrid, Andalucia or
>>>>> whoever wants, whilst others can choose to become members of the
>>>>> confederation, being PP-ES itself one of the confederation members.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Chance of confederating with other PPI members is already included on
>>>> our new statutes, we just need to approve it in about 3 months. Besides,
>>>> the rest of regions are not going to be federated regional parties, but
>>>> associations inside PP-ES.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>  However, internal work in PP-ES is terribly slow, thus, if we can't
>>>>> agree something before PPI's GA, we will probably propose an statute
>>>>> modification, changing "country" for "territory", so, PP-CAT and PP-GAL
>>>>> would be able to achieve full membership status.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On summer our new statutes will be ready, there is no need to change
>>>> anything.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>  This modification would ease the integration of parties PP-CAT and
>>>>> PP-GAL into PPI, by PP-ES confirming that it's not going to present
>>>>> candidatures/lead activity in these territories, and easing the admission
>>>>> of new PPI members in places like Palestine, Turkish-Kurdistan, Irak's
>>>>> Kurdistan and so on, which lack a state but have completely independent
>>>>> politics of Israel, Turkey or Irak.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> If we are confederated with PP-CAT and PP-GAL we will have activity in
>>>> these territories because we will have associations there, but we will
>>>> collaborate with PP-GAL and PP-CAT and we won't present candidatures there
>>>> alone.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>  Would you like/support such a statute modification?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>
>>>>> Kenneth Peiruza
>>>>> Pirates de Catalunya
>>>>> http://pirata.cat
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Bye.
>>>>
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