[pp.int.general] Are there "good" and "wrong" Rigths?

[Dario]

El 29 de marzo de 2012 14:40, <mattias.bjarnemalm at piratpartiet.se> escribió:

> On Thu, 29 Mar 2012 14:26:26 +0200, Dario <i at dario.im> wrote:
> >
> > I don't agree with creating the content by ourselves. Then you are not
> > supporting HR, you are just making up your own version. HR are one
> thing,
> > opinions are another one.
> >
> > You can have opinions about them, you can have objections about some
> > article and you can extract your own visions from them, but you are not
> > able to just create them and say "hey, these are the Real Human Rights,
> > UN's one just sucks".
> >
> Yes you can.


Yes, we can but... do we have enough authority as UN? UDHR are a common
ground where almost everybody agree. It will be an very upside battle to
convince as UN does.


> For information about the jungle of UN documents on HR I recomend:
> http://www.un.org/Depts/dhl/resguide/spechr.htm
>
>
Nice reference.


> Now, in Europe it would be just as valid, or even more so, to claim that
> the best, and also legally binding, treaty that defines what is and what is
> not a human right is the European convention on human righs and fundamental
> freedooms
> (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Convention_on_Human_Rights).
>
>
This is kind of weird:

The second paragraph of Article 2 provides that death resulting from
> defending oneself or others, arresting a suspect or fugitive, or
> suppressing riots or insurrections, will not contravene the Article when
> the use of force involved is "no more than absolutely necessary".
>

<irony>"Hey, there is a riot. Kill them *softly*, so we don't contravene
the Article 2"</irony> This must be some kind of interpretation gone wrong.


>
> Personally, being a transnationalist, I dislike the state centric approach
> to human rights that has shaped the development of HR in the world. I
> understand the necessity at the time, but I see no need for the pirate
> movement to bind itself by any document that reduces HR to be an affair of
> the state to grant it's subjects.
>
>
After discussing this subject with you, I agree that maybe we need reviewed
HR. Meanwhile, UDHR are a good guideline to avoid slippery slopes.

Salut!

-- 
Dario Castañé
http://www.dario.im | http://twitter.com/im_dario
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