[pp.int.general] Tyrant banks, walk the plank!

[Charly Pache]

The problem is not capitalism, the problem is ultra-capitalism with no
other aim as money making, speculation where a few can make a lot of money
out of the fall of the many. There we should get involved. Maybe with
allowing our governments (and why not the citizen) to lend money directly
from their national banks at a low rate (instead of doing it through
commercial banks at higher rates, which increases the global debt). Maybe
through taxing financial transactions.

There's an initiative for the introduction of the basic income here in
Switzerland as well, the PP-CH is supporting it. I guess anyway we are on
the verge of a societal revolution, where more and more people will be
kicked out of the 'arbeitsmarkt' (because of increasing automation, less
consumption, ..) and will have time to think about what they want to do out
of their life. People will organize themselves again (crowd financing,
crowd sourcing, ..), be more free again. We will go back to more human
activities, we will work more locally and developp new activities. And
this, everyone of us can start doing it right today ;)

(could you please blacklist me, i like too much reading and writing on this
list..or please stop rise interesting topics ;) )

On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 12:25 PM, Justus Römeth <squig at dfpx.de> wrote:

> Yeah, but I think the fact that we have a system that has such intertwined
> banks and basically socializes their risks means that capitalism is not
> working for them anymore and I think leaving the system like that is
> basically corruption.
>
>
> On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 3:25 AM, Kenneth Peiruza <kenneth at pirata.cat>wrote:
>
>>
>> No, I'm not against German banks, even lesser with German people and not
>> at all with PP-DE.
>>
>> It was just an appointment to make it clear why the German government
>> puts extra pressure in cutbacks:
>>
>> Spanish government has put around 300.000 M€ into the Spanish banks that
>> owe debt to German banks. that is almost a 20% of the budget every year.
>> This is to save Spanish banks from cracking down, sure, but if they crack,
>> the ones that would crack just afterwards would be the German lenders. That
>> is what I meant with my email, that Merkel requires cutbacks in southern
>> Europe to save the German banks.
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Kenneth
>>
>> Al 17/05/12 02:52, En/na Justus Römeth ha escrit:
>>
>> So you think this money goes into the German banks because of
>> benevolence? I think it is just another form of corruption in a way. Well
>> hidden, but there is no real reason to do it other than politician saying
>> that it is 'without alternative' (Oh how I hate those words!)
>>
>> On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 2:15 AM, Kenneth Peiruza <kenneth at pirata.cat>wrote:
>>
>>>  That is a little bit simplistic and pre-judgement...
>>>
>>> Corruption exists, and is shameful and harmful, but corruption doesn't
>>> evaporate a 10% of Spanish government's budget, banks do it.
>>>
>>> BTW, most Spanish, Italian and Greek debt, which is the main "reason"
>>> for cutbacks in healthcare, education and every other social expenditure.
>>>
>>> Do you know who owns most of that debt? private german banks.
>>>
>>> That is why Mrs. Merkel is so stressed with the possibility of Greek
>>> government stopping any debt payments.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Kenneth
>>>
>>> Al 16/05/12 18:29, En/na Justus Römeth ha escrit:
>>>
>>> Well, we are talking<http://www.zeit.de/wirtschaft/2012-05/europa-jugend-arbeitslosigkeit/seite-1>about it in Germany, because of immigration and our universal care system
>>> it will hit us sooner rather than later. I don't think that austerity is
>>> the biggest problem, rather it is corrupt and incapable politicians that
>>> can not be voted out of office (like in Spain, Italy or Greece) and budget
>>> cuts that hit social welfare and education rather than infrastructure,
>>> politicians' wages or saving 'important' industries like banks, car
>>> manufacturers and the likes.
>>>
>>>  The Pirate Party Germany is against the ESM in its current form (well,
>>> officially afaik only the PP of NRW is against it, but so far any pirate
>>> you talked to thinks that it is a bad idea that is clearly not working).
>>> Combine that with the unconditional basic income and the freedom of
>>> education (as in educational material and free schools and universities)
>>> that we have as official aims and I think we have found a way to solve this
>>> crisis over here.
>>>
>>> On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 6:10 PM, Richard Stallman <rms at gnu.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> The biggest political issue in much of Europe today is the austerity
>>>> death spiral, aka shock capitalism.
>>>>
>>>> That problem is not occurring in Germany, so the Pirate Party can get
>>>> votes there without talking about that issue.  However, a party in
>>>> Spain, Italy, or Greece which doesn't give that issue an important
>>>> place is not addressing the people's concerns.  The coming Greek
>>>> election will be, in effect, a referendum on this.
>>>>
>>>> I therefore propose that the Pirate Movement take a stand: Tyrant
>>>> banks, walk the plank!
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Dr Richard Stallman
>>>> President, Free Software Foundation
>>>> 51 Franklin St
>>>> Boston MA 02110
>>>> USA
>>>> www.fsf.org  www.gnu.org
>>>> Skype: No way! That's nonfree (freedom-denying) software.
>>>>  Use Ekiga or an ordinary phone call
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